
The Bayshore Mall may soon include the Bayshore Wal. Local union reps and labor experts are dismayed, predicting scenes of post-Walmartalyptic depression and lost jobs. But … Costco, Target and Kmart are already here. Is Walmart really any worse?
Researchers can’t say with any certainty. Walmart’s smaller rivals have avoided the legal issues that make data on Walmart so easy to come by, so it’s tough to make direct comparisons. Even though studies clearly show Walmart’s depressing effect on retail nationwide, the effect of a new Walmart on any particular community is unpredictable, especially in an area already fully loaded with big box stores. Still, locals are deeply suspicious.
“Walmart is a bad neighbor,” said John Frahm, the local United Food and Commercial Workers Union representative. “If Walmart comes to the area we’re gonna lose a lot of local businesses.” Frahm said that adding Walmart to the selection of local retailers will do nothing but crowd the pool, pushing some of the smaller retail stores under, while sending profits outside Humboldt County.
Compared to Walmart, Frahm feels much better about Kmart and Target. “They don’t have quite the record that Walmart does. They don’t have all the lawsuits lined up against them,” he said. Other big boxes don’t show the same disregard for their employees or the same aggression as Walmart, in his view. “Walmart wants to take over the community,” he said. Costco, at the other end of the spectrum, is a pretty decent employer in Frahm’s opinion, even though its workers are not union members.
To be clear, it’s not a sure thing that Walmart will come to town. The only information available to the public is that a mystery retailer is preparing to occupy the spot in the Bayshore Mall left by Gottschalks. Reticent city employees aren’t talking, and Walmart is similarly mum. In response to an email inquiry, chipper Walmart spokesperson Angie Stoner said, “We have nothing to announce or confirm in Eureka, but I can tell you that in communities across the country, people want to shop and work at Walmart.” That’s not exactly a denial.
While Walmart will boost employment initially when it opens, eventually it could cause other businesses to close, leading to more lost jobs than it will create, said Ken Jacobs, chair of the UC Berkeley Center for Labor Research and Education. Furthermore, the jobs created will pay less than the jobs lost. “Walmart is not expanding the workforce, they’re substituting,” he said. Plus, competitors have to pay workers less in order to compete with Walmart, leading to lower wages across the retail industry.
A 2007 study by Berkeley’s labor center, looking at the years when Walmart expanded from 1,800 to 2,500 stores nationwide, found that average retail wages dropped by as much as 1 percent countywide after a Walmart opened.
Still, “in any given town, is Walmart any worse than a Kmart or a Target or anything else? It’s hard to say,” Jacobs said.
Walmart’s history of lawsuits and public relations disasters means that one measure of merit, its average workers’ wages, is readily available online. Target and Kmart declined to share average wages, while Costco headquarters said that its workers make $20.12 per hour on average, plus free samples, considerably higher than Walmart’s $11.75 average hourly wage.
Jim Smith, president of the local Labor Council, wishes Walmart could be more like Costco. “Costco, they take a living wage to their employees, they provide a benefit package, they don’t rely upon the government for health care. We welcome them,” he said, adding, “We shop there for our Labor Council picnic.”
Another Costco fan, Jacqueline Debets of the Humboldt County Workforce Investment Board, said, “When you go to Costco you can see the same faces.” By contrast, Walmart has high employee turnover and low benefits. By limiting hours or pay, Walmart keeps many of its employees eligible for government health services, Debets said.
She wasn’t sure how Walmart stacks up against Target or Kmart locally, but she said that if the mystery retailer is Walmart, it has done a neat job of shoehorning into an area where it hasn’t been welcomed in the past. In 1999 Eureka residents voted down Walmart’s bid to rezone an area of the waterfront for retail. By using the space left by Gottschalks, which is already zoned for retail, Walmart (or whoever) bypasses any zoning issues – which means the Eureka City Council and Eureka voters are also cut out of any further decision making.
If it is Walmart, it’s a smart play, said Liana Simpson, manager of Sequoia Personnel, an employer-employee matchmaking service. By moving into an existing space, the store avoids conflict with the Coastal Commission.
Simpson is all for a Eureka Walmart. When she goes to the Crescent City Walmart, she sees people from Humboldt County, and she would rather see those jobs and those consumer choices here in Humboldt. “We have to be more positive about growth,” Simpson said.
For many, cash trumps all. Eureka resident David Bazor said that he would probably shop at Walmart sometimes. While Bazor likes to support local business, especially local food producers, he’ll go with the big box option when the price difference is big enough. For some things, he said, the bigger stores just have better deals. Bazor was headed to his car after loading up on spray paint and boxers at the Eureka Kmart. “It purely depends on the item,” he said.
This article appears in Vulnerable Part 2.

“Even though studies clearly show Walmart’s depressing effect on retail nationwide, the effect of a new Walmart on any particular community is unpredictable, especially in an area already fully loaded with big box stores.”
Unpredictable?
Low wage big boxes are proven to hurt rural economies. But, if a rural community is saturated in big boxes…then there might be some improvement?
Could this be more illogical?
Is there a Walmart somewhere that improved a rural economy?
The mall/sprawl development model has failed. It is unsustainable. There’s tons of research.
The real question is how in the hell a community tolerates “mystery” developments of any kind.
The commenter above hit the nail on the head: “The real question is how in the hell a community tolerates ‘mystery’ developments of any kind.”
Zach St. George demonstrates all the journalistic integrity of a big box representative.
How can Jacqueline Debets see the turn-over rate for Walmart when we don’t have a local Walmart?
Well YOU don’t have a local Walmart, but I disagree, sometimes in my travels I see the same person working at the same Walmart for a long time.
And yes, let’s ask the Union that crippled most of the other grocery stores so theyy can’t compete with Walmart what’s wrong with Walmart.
Durrrrrrrrp.
At least if Wal Mart came to town, I would not travel to Crescent City anymore. I could spend my money locally. The prices for goods in Eureka would be more competitive.
I’m sorry, let me get this right, “Better-Prices” — you drive to Crescent City to shop?
Kinda like when you drove to Mexico when you lived in San Diego Joel.
And to the first poster, bitching about min wage jobs in Humboldt County is funny. Most jobs seem to be gutter service industry jobs, so why not complain about them as well?
I also take exception to Walmart’s wares. In addition to paying its Eureka workers poorly, it also pays its workers in China poorly to pump out more lead-painted knick-knacks. And it may sound elitist, but do we really want to attract more Walmart shoppers to move to Eureka? Couldn’t we at least get an Ikea?
Remaining Eureka retailers just want to keep locals captive to their wage and price structure. Nobody wants competion if they can help it. It’s mostly all crap from China no matter where you buy it. Why pay more.
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No other company I know of has as many documentary movies, books and economic research illustrating exactly how it harms rural economies.
And yet, there’s always people begging for a shovel to dig their own graves!
Even more inexplicable is how it has become a left-right political issue.
It’s size, centralization and behavior mirrors the legacy of every other human-inspired tyranny on Earth.
Once they eliminate competition, their prices soar and everyone, but them, loses.
Rural economies that took generations to develop are decimated in a decade before Walmart abandons another warehouse in search of new communities to harvest.
They make a mockery of capitalism.
“Why pay more”? That’s a silly question.
Why pay at all?
Pretty sure Walmart doesn’t force you to buy their products. Not even at gunpoint.
Support Localism over Nationalism. The national model is destroying this nation from the bottom up, squeezing every nickel it can from our A to their B. To suggest the likes of Walmart et al do not and have not damaged local economies blatantly ignores the very state of the economy which is built around their business model. How many times and ways does that need to be repeated…
To ignore the changing shape of economies surrounding existing big box business models is nothing short of wilful ignorance.
More local business, less national franchise. No brainer.
Yeah, support local yokels, import them from SoCal like the NCJ does.
Nobody held a gun to German citizens when they voted Hitler into power either.
By all means, support the well-researched entity that destroys rural economies.
I would call you an “idiot” except for a mainstream media that self-censors the research and the authors proving what Walmart actually accomplishes.
Enjoy the growth in predator industries, while they last.
Whatever, anon-r-mess. Most of the folks at lost coast communications can choke on dicks. In fact, if I read tomorrow that they died choking on eachother’s dicks…and stank muffs, respectively…I’d call it a happy accident. It’d spare us some of the bullshit “journalism” like we see in the article above…trolling tripe….blog fodder. Fuck them for that. If the journal’s reporters spent half the time observing the world around them and thinking about it, that they do staring at electronic screens, they wouldn’t be the part of the bigger problem that they are. But even more disgusting than their bullshit is the bullshit they’re getting buried in the same as you and I. Shit’s gotta change big, now.
Not with a bang, but a whimper…a “positive” whimper.
Walmart almost never adapts preexisting retail space; they always do new construction. Also, the parking lot and access road near the Gotttschalk’s is far too small for a Walmart. If they were to go in the mall, it will only be as a wedge tactic to support the building of a larger standalone store down the road.
Shady business…loud BOOOO!!!! Walmart was voted down…the real community wants transparency with our georgraphy’s planning. This as well as Big Box on the Bay and more apartments…er…”multi-family housing”….er…”the marina center”…er…Measure N…are all too shady. Business as usual…whitewashed and branded to your ear’s and ear’s content.
This debate, unions vs. progress, is exactly why I left the area… It was going on in the 70s and 80s and I imagine will never end…
If you think costco, kmart, and target are any more or less beneficial to an area than Walmart, you’re not thinking clearly. They’re all fairly ruthless multinational firms. The only difference is who owns each one. And to which political party do they primarily donate. Which explains the lawsuits. Unions and lawyers are primarily Democrats…
It was Democrats AND Republicans who loaded the Chinese onto rafts and burned their houses and shops in the 1800s… Apparently that racist xenophobia is still in vogue…
very well said, setnaffa. I completely agree. If you could travel back a mere 25 years to my hometown and warn of the physical and economic changes that have proven to be imminent since the onset of shared housing complexes and big box centers, which were in fact well protested at the time, you’d have been laughed out of city hall. And those few people who stood to prosper from that development have in fact profited quite handsomly and are now all the more in control of local government, building more of the same. Over twice the police force, yet still twice the crime. Over twice the road infrastructure, yet urban gridlock. All remaining rural roads have become regular dumpsites. Etc.
Who supported the bayshore mall? Who supported Kmart and Costco? (where’s those cheap gas prices every costco proponent chanted?) Who supported Target? Where’s all that these businesses promised? In the pockets of those real estate holders and national enterprises, not the general public’s and definitely not in local business, many of which now defunct.
When big box businesses state their wage averages, if they’re to include top management (who work breakneck hours on salary) to bring up their numbers ($20 and $11 per hour, yeah right) they should be made to include all the under 18 year old child labor wages in china where an undisputed 90% of their exclusively distributed products are manufactured.
Why didn’t the author of this article challenge their stated average wages in this way? With the above considered, the average wage of both Home Depot and Walmart is about a dollar an hour.
Well written 12:27!
It’s simple comments like yours that illustrates the power of language to drive-home the shocking lack of information we’re receiving from our “community media”.
Is it really so different from the censorship of German newspapers and university campuses in the 1930’s, albeit, without the violence?
Nothing is more efficient than ignorance to keep 50% of eligible voters away from the poles, harmonized by a deluge of “positive” news and low everyday prices.
I really for the life of me can not understand why people would want a walmart. Even if you think its an American business, great prices blah blah blah. Well all their products are poorly made in CHINA, NOT USA and eveything that has paint on it is coated with LEAD. My son got lead poisioning as a baby from playing with a toy his grandmother bought at WALMART. FUCK WALMART. Target and Kmart are better, yes they are big box stores, but they treat employees a little better, dont have the type/number of lawsuits Walmart does and I used to work for target in high school so i know they treat you better than walmart. Also it is a complete waste to have a “greeter” at the door to say have a great shopping experience or thanks for shoppin at weakmart. Lol those old people dont do shit but stand at the door looking like they are about to have a stroke while asking if you need a cart. I dont need someone to greet me and thank me for buying some lead infested crap made by kids in sweatshops for some change. Wake the fuck up people. Walmart is the epitome of trash. Shop on sheeple, quick get to walmart for those”deal” before someone else get the lead toys. BAAAAAH stupid sheep
The Humboldt Sentinel had an update on Walmart’s plans:
http://humboldtsentinel.com/2011/12/09/weekly-roundup-for-december-9-2011/