Doesn’t appear that way.
As expected, Humboldt County Sheriff’s Department deputies arrived in front of the Humboldt County Courthouse at 4 p.m. Wednesday to begin enforcement of the “urgency ordinance” passed by the Humboldt County Board of Supervisors on Tuesday.
Prior to their arrival, Occupy Eureka members moved their information tables over the crack in the pavement denoting where the public sidewalk begins. (The new ordinance notes that it “shall not apply to the public sidewalks directly bordering the grounds.“)
Deputies cut down signs and tarps affixed to the fence while protesters hurled “traitor” and “fascist” their way.
Occupier James Decker stated that the occupation would continue, albeit in the much more cramped confines of the narrow strip of sidewalk.
“The sidewalk will still be open at 9:30 p.m.” Decker said. “We still plan to be 24/7.”
(Verbena monitors from the sidewalk.)
One arrest was made (below): During the sign excising period, Patricia Kanzler wrapped herself in an American flag-style banner to keep it from being confiscated. Deputies let her keep it and moved on. Immediately, Kanzler attempted to reattach the banner to the fence. After being told she would have to stop putting things on the fence, she responded:
“I can’t do that.”
She was asked to put her hands behind her back. She complied, was cuffed and trotted away.
(UPDATE, 11:40 a.m.): The HCSO released the following press release this morning:
On 03-28-2012, after receiving a copy of the Humboldt County Urgency Ordinance #2477 regarding Health and Safety issues and use of Humboldt County Courthouse property, Humboldt County Sheriff Michael Downey contacted the group in front of the courthouse. Many of this group had attended the Humboldt County Board of Supervisors meeting on March 27th, 2012. Sheriff Downey met with the group at approximately 10:00 a.m., passed out copies of the Ordinance, and attempted to answer any of their questions. Sheriff Downey requested the group comply with the new ordinance, and requested they remove their belongings, including signs on the fence which violated the new ordinance. Sheriff Downey told the group he would allow them until 4:00 p.m. to collect their belongings.
At approximately 4:00 p.m. Humboldt County Sheriff’s Deputies assisted by Humboldt County District Attorney’s Office Investigators contacted the group again on the Fifth Street Side of the Courthouse. The group had moved their table and chairs to the sidewalk, which is not covered by the ordinance. They were again requested to remove their signs from the fence and personal property, such as tarps. They were advised the signs and other property would be considered abandoned if no one claimed it. No one claimed the signs or other property. The deputies were told by the group they would not remove the signs, deputies then removed the signs and property that was in violation of the Emergency Ordinance. Immediately after the deputies removed the signs one of the members of the group, Patricia Ann Kanzler, 59 years from Eureka was witnessed by the deputies putting a sign back on the fence. She was asked to remove the sign and told if she did not she would be arrested. She refused and she was arrested and booked into the Humboldt County Correctional Facility for violation of Humboldt County Ordinance 2477, which is a misdemeanor, bail is $5,000.00. She was released on her own recognizance.
Did Occupy Eureka last past last night’s 9:30 p.m. deadline? Sure enough, protesters and tables remained amidst Thursday morning’s drizzle (below).
(UPDATE 3/30) Video shot by Occupy Eureka of Pat Kanzler’s arrest:
Previously: Supes Restrict Occupy Protesters.
This article appears in School Lunch 2.0.
Thanks for the photos of Patricia Kanzler exercising her rights as a human being and American citizen and being arrested. She is a brave soul.
The picture of Kim Starr (verbena) sitting on her ass and smoking is worth a thousand words. What a joke…… “don’t get up Kim, we got this”………..
That’s me in the picture on the top. The guy sitting on the stairs watching. I was there to file a tax document. As I was being screened to enter the courthouse the officers were meeting in the lobby getting ready to flank the protesters. When I came out of the courthouse the officers had just begun to remove the banners, signs, and tarp shelter. It seemed like the officers were attacking the protestors; not physically but it seemed very aggressive. I said to a courthouse employee that was standing by me that I thought this was a sad time in American history. She yelled at me and told me to go join my grungy friends on the sidewalk. When I told her I was there to file a document she told me I was a pot grower and an idiot and she stormed back into the building. She was wrong and not willing to have a rational discussion. I don’t grow pot. I run a small business and I work almost 70 hours a week. My point. There seems to be a serious feeling of us vs them within sects of our own society. Are we not all created equal? Are we not all on the same team? I heard an officer ask himself “why would these people disobey an order?” I responded to him saying that perhaps they disobeyed orders because they were defending their constitutional rights. He told me to mind my business. He didn’t even acknowledge that there is a serious socio-political issue on the table. He just did what his boss told him to do. This is the root of the issue. There are folks in power who are giving orders to subordinates. And these subordinates do not question legality or ethics, they just do what they are told. I watched this all unfold. And what I saw was war. A war between constitution defending Americans and wage earning subordinates who do not question authority. What a sad day. Be careful America. An officer will do what they need to do to keep their job. The constitution no longer guides our democracy. This is not freedom. This is a fascist consumer state. Keep being a consumer, keep paying taxes, keep your mouth shut, and keep your head down or you will be punished by your government. People are afraid of the government. This is not democracy. This is fascism. Rise up! Educate yourself! Protect your civil liberties! Question authority! Seek freedom! Today I am ashamed to be an American for we have lost our way.
Thanks for the eyewitness picture, Evan. I agree. Dividing citizens and stigmatizing (often ignorantly and stupidly) those who are disagreed with with doesn’t come from below; it’s just about all that our leaders actually lead us in doing.
Democracy can’t possibly work when our representatives don’t know what it is. Our representatives don’t know what democracy is, they just know what pisses them off. They don’t know how democracy would work if we had one. And it’s safe to say they’re not learning.
Sad indeed. Historically there was a point when we got involved in agriculture, and the very fertile areas produced more than needed, which created an accumulation of wealth. This wealth provided power, which in turn allowed for stronger opinions of those with the power. Those opinions became laws, and the idea of might makes right was born. We accept the strong father ideology as fact. If I don’t do what Dad says, I’ll get punished. Same with teachers, police, jail keepers (more police, I know), drill sergeants…nothing against teachers who try to help our youths, but isn’t classroom management necessary largely because of this tension between “people of power” and the individuals that are feeling less power? A more civil system might include things like discourse, caring attitudes, consensus building, and cooperation. Authority would be born of experience and wisdom, which would be respected. Real authority doesn’t come from carrying a taser or pepper spray (or a gun or thermonuclear device).
Brian has a VERY good point Verbena; Why were you just sitting there and not up in the action?
“The picture of Kim Starr (verbena) sitting on her ass and smoking is worth a thousand words. What a joke…… ‘don’t get up Kim, we got this’………..”
Brian, You sound like the folks Evan talked to; people who find it easy and comfortable to judge based on very limited information. I have heard many things about Kim Starr, but to imply she is lazy is truly proof of your ignorance. Luckily ignorance is not an incurable condition. Good luck with your recovery.
Janelle @12:47; but yet YOU find it “easy and comfortable to judge based on very limited information”…….
I agree with Brian.
I’d love to hang out in a lounge chair all day and complain about what’s wrong with the world…..oh, wait! No I wouldn’t. I actually go to work every day and DO something to make the world a better place.
I don’t have much use for Verbena, but condemning her as lazy because she happened to be sitting when a photo was taken is pea-brained simple-mindedness.
Note: Verbena mentioned that she’s been experiencing back pain related to sciatica.
Carry on.
Obviously I realize just sitting in a chair isn’t all she does. But the photo is pretty funny. Sciatica or not, spending your time throwing a temper tantrum rather than actually doing something to better yourself IS the lazy way out.
evan: i truly appreciate your observations of the hatred cultivated by the local govt employees. they are clearly not being unbiased and not being fair. perhaps they need some education and instruction from their supervisors about their roles in society.
re: verbena. i agree with joel. it is surprising that people are criticizing her over this photo. she sure gives us so much more to criticize about that is more substantive. (someone needs to inform her that sitting down is actually making her sciatica worse: something like 250% of your body weight is applied to your spine when you sit. it is better to stand or walk’). so, sitting down due to sciatica is a farce at best (as anyone who knows anything about sciatica would recognize; i am well experienced with this). laying down is certainly not helping either… maybe walking more and stretching.
if we want to critique verbena, lets begin with substance (and how she has been really good at destroying the credibility of the occupy peace movement, to the extent that there is an offshoot of occupy that has chosen to meet in trinidad).
i am not here to criticize her, i would rather focus on the positive. so, thanks again evan for your assessment of the perspective from those employees at the courthouse and how they need to be educated more about their roles in society (that they clearly do not understand).
Still, isn’t smoking like, um, bad? Hand her a bud and she can watch in style.
CIA has defunded “occupy” “Anonymous” lulzsec” and “wikileaks”. Their objective must’ve been accomplished. WW# to start soon. Quickly the “homelss, drug addicts, marijuana, etc; will NOT matter for a LONG time IF ever again. Pull your heads out of your burros and fight the REAL enemy!
Thank you Mr. Schwartz. I would have demanded to speak to the county employee’s supervisor about her conduct.
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I saw a friend of mine today, and told her what happened at the cuorthouse. Her take on the matter was, “well, the US is not as bad as say, Syria, where you may be taken from your home at night to an underground cell to be tortured” These counties have dictators or tyrants. The difference is that our dictators are elected. We are becoming a military state, but until we are taken away to be tortured, many will refuse to believe it. The time is very near when we will be taken away at night…..until then, we will go to work, keep our heads down, and make excuses for our country.
On a side note… I have listened to Verbana speak on a few occasions and have been generally unimpressed with her attitude and antics. I think the Occupy movement had merit when it was about corruption on wall street and corporate government collusion. What I see at the courthouse is so disorganized that it diminishes the potency of what the occupy movement could have been if it only had a clear direction and a strategy for effecting change. If the world is really such a rotten place then we need to create a new political party, elect a front runner, and get on the ballot to occupy elected positions in government. That is democracy in action; sitting in front of a courthouse for months on end with no clear direction is something else. Lets be positive! seriously. C’mon all you protestors! If you want the government to change you must become it.
good riddance. i served in the military and i am an advocate of free speech. saying and doing whatever you want, wherever you want, for as long as you want is not free speech. that is called anarchy.
Pat: are you f-ing kidding? Comparing an ordinance to stop people from destroying court house property and shitting on the sidewalk to punishment administered in a third world country? Basically calling our board of supervisors dictators?
Funny how those of us who support ourselves in life and are too busy to sit around and whine don’t seem to have problems with the police or having ordinances created due to our actions….
Can we just pause for a moment and inhale all the awesomeness and out-of-the butt facting in this feed… breathtaking. Strong father ideology. Elected dictators. 250 percent of body weight.
There we go… I honestly love this county.
AHhh… carry on.
” I just HATE mega corporations and Humboldt County Board of Supervisors…. Oh excuse me I need to answer my iphone, will hold my cigarette…….
Yes Brian, and don’t forget: Facebook is a good old local business to use to advertise Occupy activities! Oh wait….it isn’t?
First, let’s not forget (with all the ranting over democracy) that we do not live in a democracy. We live in a Constitutional Republic and this is a serious distinction. Democracy simply means majority rule. If we lived in a democracy Gore would have been elected president instead of Bush, for he got the popular vote. (In retrospect maybe that would have been a good thing.)
The down side of a true democracy is that women would now be disallowed from voting, the civil rights act would never have happened, child labor laws would be non-existent and many other good things that have defined our country would never have happened. A democracy is more of a mobocracy. The mob gets what they want because they outnumber the “non-mob.” Minority groups don’t have a chance in a democracy.
Second, one of the problems with the Occupy movement is that they seem to think they live in a democracy. Though I agree with many of the ideas coming out of the movement (as I think they raise awareness to institutional inequality) you can’t get what you want in a republic just because you get the majority to agree (just ask those who battled over the California Marriage Protection Act and Proposition 8.) In a republic like ours a constitution is the guide, not what the majority wants. Of course how said constitution is interpreted makes all the difference, but that is a whole other conversation.
The pedantic distinction between “democracy” and “republic” is fuzzy, at best, since a republic is still a form of majority rule.
Although I’ve commented ad nauseum elsewhere (check out the Humboldt Herald), I would like to try to add a bit of information here.
Yes, the supreme court has ruled that time, place, and manner restrictions can be imposed on freedom of speech and association.
Yes, the supreme court has explicitly rejected “least intrusive means” as a requirement.
Whether you agree with those decisions or not, they do not apply here. The test that will be applied is here, from Ward v Rock against Racism:
“The requirement of narrow tailoring is satisfied so long as the regulation promotes a substantial governmental interest that would be achieved less effectively absent the regulation, and the means chosen are not substantially broader than necessary to achieve that interest.
“…To be sure, this standard does not mean that a time, place, or manner regulation may burden substantially more speech than is necessary to further the government’s legitimate interests. Government may not regulate expression in such a manner that a substantial portion of the burden on speech does not serve to advance its goals.”
It’s the second paragraph that is critical.
The county would probably be within its rights to insist on closing the lawn for a night for weekly cleaning, or doing the same with the mini-plaza in front of the Courthouse. It is also, of course, within its rights to arrest anyone creating a public nuisance, whether by harassing people, defecating in public, or whatever.
Where the County has overstepped its rights is when it passes an ordinance that (as we now see) prevents a single peaceful woman from attaching her banner, sized so that her message will be visible to traffic, to an otherwise unused chain link fence, and standing out of the flow of pedestrian traffic to present a protest.
The County simply had no need to do that. It already had all the laws it required to deal with the public nuisance associated rightly or wrongly with the Occupy Eureka protest. It didn’t want to use legal means — it wanted to increase its power over protest.
I would like to remind everyone that Occupy Eureka offered to provide portable nighttime toilet. The County said no.
That things got messy is no doubt; that it was always a mess and the Occupy Eureka did nothing is not true.
Occupy Eureka participants included houseless individuals. Many houseless individuals came by from time to time. Some of the people in front of the courthouse had sever issues which Occupy Eureka participants tried to assist.
For years signs have been hung on the flagpole, the trees, the railings, on poles stuck in the ground. Pat courageously hung her sign up three times in an act of civil disobedience to the new county code.
The County had to pass a new code because someone read the California Penal Code cited to take signs and make arrests and the District Attorney informed them it did not apply to 1st Amendment speech.
Thank you so much Mitch for the information.
“Pat courageously hung her sign up three times..”
Quite courageous. Almost as much as the soldiers who fight for her right to throw a childish fit.
Where have we deployed soldiers”who fight for her right” to do anything, except buy gas at a lower price?
Well, Joel, at least during World War 2, American soldiers did lose their lives fighting for our rights. And since then, many soldiers have fought thinking that they were fighting for our rights, whether that’s why the pols sent them or not.
“By A Girl,” if you understand that American soldiers actually die to protect your right to freedom of speech and assembly, then instead of calling Pat K’s behavior a “childish fit” (which doesn’t even fit the facts — this was a composed 59 year old woman who threw no fit whatsoever) why not lend your voice to defending the rights of freedom of speech and assembly?
Defending those rights often requires you to acknowledge that the rights belong to everyone, including those you may not particularly like.
In America, that means that even supporters of the Nazi regime that American soldiers died fighting still have the right to march in our streets. I’m no fan of the American Nazi’s, but I understand why I cannot prevent their protests.
Never let the Nazis have the street, ever.
Sigh. Antifa, meet “By a Girl.” Maybe you two ought to get together. Your motto can be “it doesn’t feel good to me, so you shouldn’t do it.”
My son’s a soldier and did two tours in Iraq and yet I still concur with Joel on this one. This is why we supported the assistance to Libyan rebels, yet never even gave a thought to Ivory Coast or Zimbabwe where the people are raped and murdered and systematically piled up like cord wood…cause after all, we’ve got all the coffee and pineapples we need. Same with Egypt and now Syria. But if major oil exporting countries get destabilized we go roaring in under the guise of some humanitarian ideal. I could more easily accept our entry into world affairs based on oil market issues if our government admitted their agenda, but I despise the hypocrisy and I’m insulted that our various administrations think we don’t “get it.”
In the past, as Mitch noted, we have defended ourselves, but mostly our soldiers do what they are told regardless of the agenda behind it. It’s a sad form of poor logic to say that soldiers died for the rights being exercised and then condemn the very act of one exercising them.
Joel, I do take exception to your other comment. The majority of people in 1964 were against the civil rights act and it got pushed through because of a constitution that guaranteed the same rights to all citizens. If it had been put to a vote (as in a true democracy) we might have continued way longer with “whites only” establishments and lynchings never investigated or stopped because after all, “it’s just a bunch of worthless n****rs.” So I might be pedantic, I’ll give you that. The distinction however is neither fuzzy nor pedantic.
@mitch
You would let racist Nazi scum roam your streets?
Interesting.
Mike, I agree with your assessment of the Civil Rights Act, which was passed in spite of popular bigotry, and representative democracy may be an improvement upon direct democracy, but a modern republic is still “a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives.”
As for “A Girl,” I’d suggest that she listen to this wise young veteran.
Antifa,
I would let racist Nazi scum parade through the streets. If they threatened to hurt anyone, or called for anyone’s death, I would ask that they be arrested for those things.
While I don’t like to think about people whose lives revolve around a message of, say, “white power,” or “jah hates fags,” I don’t think preventing them from marching is any solution to their existence. I’d be sure to be at the side of the street, with a sign saying how I felt about them, and I’m sure I’d have more support than they would.
I think the “solution” to their existence, if there is any “solution,” is that they need to have more opportunities to experience respect from people outside their movement; more love, to be brief. Then they will be able to hear arguments beyond those they’ve become attached to. When they actually hear those other arguments, and see love is available outside their movement, there is little reason to continue believing that some Nazi clown is a hero.
Note that the moment one of them tried to open a business, I’d feel entitled to picket it, thanks to the same laws I’m respecting that allow them to march. I’d feel well within my rights to spread the news that the owner of whatever business is a “white power Nazi,” and that people therefore should avoid the business. I feel the equivalent, for example, about Nocturnum.
Also note that the moment one of them called for violence against anyone, I’d be delighted to see them arrested.
That video shows just how pathetic and desperate this movement has become. The officers handled themselves well.
Someone said they’re ashamed to be an American because the police tried to move thugs off the Courthouse steps and fence.
I’m ashamed to tell people where I’m from because of all the pot growers and their filthy camp-followers.
Shame on all of us for not riding these losers out of the county on split rails covered in tar and feathers. They’re the new “carpetbaggers”…
Someone doesn’t like Nazis in the streets? Maybe they should protest against the ACLU, not the police in Eureka.
It’s remarkable how this affair so neatly sums up Humboldt County.
Taxpayer’s comments, starting with his or her name, make that clear.
Not all taxpayers agree with Taxpayer, but Taxpayer probably thinks they do. Many taxpayers actually support the ACLU which, after all, exists to defend the civil liberties declared in the Constitution of the United States.
It’s hard to get more patriotic than defending liberty, as outlined in the Bill of Rights, but I’m sure Taxpayer thinks only commies do that.
The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are radical documents, boldly asserting people’s rights against the King, the time’s supposed ruler by divine right. They are radical documents today; many people do not support the Bill of Rights when its language is updated so they don’t recognize it for what it is.
In 1991, The New York Times reported that only one in ten Americans polled knew that the purpose of the Bill of Rights was to protect citizens from the federal government. Only one in three knew what the Bill of Rights is. My guess is things have got worse since then.
As long as this ignorance persists, reasoned discussion is pretty much impossible.
Early up on this set of comments, a person pointed out that when he said he found this “a sad time in American history,” she immediately decided that he was not contributing to society, even though he explained to her that he was there to file a tax document.
As long as those stereotypes persist, on whichever side, reasoned discussion is pretty much impossible.
I totally agree with this: reasoned discussion is pretty much impossible.
But not with this: In 1991, The New York Times reported that only one in ten Americans polled knew that the purpose of the Bill of Rights was to protect citizens from the federal government. Only one in three knew what the Bill of Rights is.
Blog on!
Terrence, you are at least as much a mystery to me as I may be to you.
http://www.nytimes.com/1991/12/15/us/poll-finds-only-33-can-identify-bill-of-rights.html
Well, we both use our actual names, so I believe there is hope for us.
Funniest quote of the thread (so far):
“I’m ashamed to tell people where I’m from because of all the pot growers and their filthy camp-followers.’
It’s been awhile since we’ve put a “featured comment” on our homepage. We chose one that we figured everybody could get behind.
But if you don’t, let us know.
nazi.
Booger licking scumwad hippies. I love being a RICH BTCH!!!!!!!!! HA, SCREW ‘EM! GOP!
I’m so happy that we have so many experts on constitutional law here to educate us. I hadn’t realized there were so many constitutional legal experts in the area … we should consider ourselves blessed.
For such experts to share their depth of insight with us we are truly lucky. In many countries such people would be summarily shot or just disappear.
We also need to appreciate all the local people who have gone out of their way to support these erudite revolutionaries and encourage them to believe that they should be above the law, because some people are just too rich. … too rich!
Hopefully one day, when they get the power they seek they will cure all sorts of injustice like too tall, too beautiful, too smart, or too fast. Surely they’ve already made strides against the too educated, bless their souls.
We can all look forward to their world of equality that will be like a freshly mowed suburban lawn, with no blade of grass arrogantly rising too high. The peace of mind and serenity I get from that vision practically brings me to tears.
So join us now to fight the power, seize control, set things right … we can change the world … yes we can.
“In many countries such people would be summarily shot or just disappear.”
You sound nostalgic, Keith.
Keith, where is your sponsor? It’s time for an intervention.
Let’s get our priorities straight here people, that cop with the pony tail can frisk me anytime she wants to.
Yes Mitch, I’m nostalgic for the days before empowered idiots, but to compare me to a Stalinist or Nazi is quite asinine on your part. Are you really so narrow-minded that you only see such extremes? I wouldn’t be surprised, it’s become rather common in empowered idiot circles.
AA, I know what you mean … it should be socially unacceptable to hold opinions that differ from yours. I’m sure that, given the power, you would make sure that all the best right ideas were universally enforced. I realize that’s why this crude movement means so much to you … it’s time for the small and petty to inflict themselves.
Keith,
You’ll notice that all the blue text above is interrupted occasionally by people’s names or pseudonyms. That’s because multiple people have written comments, and the names and pseudonyms show who wrote each comment. Clever, huh?
Show me where I compared you or others who disagree with me about the Courthouse protesters rights to a Nazi. (I may have referred to Nazis in response to someone who brought Nazis up. That’s called dialog, where you actually refer to something someone has said.)
I do not think you are a Nazi, Keith.
Mitch;
Is this your post?
“In many countries such people would be summarily shot or just disappear.”
You sound nostalgic, Keith. <
This comment refers to some past (actually) oppressive regime, usually referring to the Nazis or occasionally the Stalinist era.
Oh, I see. Well, if that’s what you meant, then I guess I’m guilty, and now it’s out there for all the world to see.
But you did sound nostalgic.
You seem proud of yourself. I guess that’s what happens when social validation exceeds decency of character.
Actually, no one here is stating any information regarding constitutional issues that can’t be found in a ninth-grade history book.
And if you don’t want to discuss the constitutional legalities concerning what people may or may not do in a society like ours, then upon what do you base your judgment? How do you decide whether their actions are appropriate?
And people who were erudite revolutionaries did in fact change the world. This is what the process of self-government is all about, Keith. Some of those revolutionaries became our Presidents.
Do you realize how idiotic our founders seemed at the time? They broke the law of the British Empire and rebelled against English Common Law. They thumbed their noses as the most powerful country on the planet at that time. They stood up where they weren’t supposed to stand and said things they weren’t supposed to say.
Is there a future revolutionary President or leader sitting around in front of the courthouse? Probably not. But that’s not really the point. The point is that the freedoms those other erudite revolutionaries gained for us at the risk of their lives don’t mean a lot if we condemn people now for exercising them.
Look, freedom is messy. No other country in recent modern times has illustrated this with more intensity that these United States. Freedom is not clear cut or clean and you can’t wrap it up in a little box and set it on the shelf. Its a “right” and if it’s not exercised then atrophy sets in. All Occupy is doing is shaking off the dust and flexing their rights. And what’s wrong with that?
Mike, that’s beautifully put. Thank you.
Keith, you’re right. I’ve had overwhelming social validation, so I’ve learned to overlook my character flaws.
It’s a problem all people encounter when everyone treats them like they’re God. I just wish people would stop bowing to me in the streets. It’s great fun, but it’s also soooooo embarrassing.
Is television a dying medium?
@Mike;
Thank you for your comments. The Constitution, and its interpretation is a very simple document with no subtleties that might be lost on a 9th grader. Anyone can pull any idea out of context an it makes perfect sense and could be fully applied to [your idea here]. I like the idea of people with a rudimentary insight into this important document reminding me what they think, and it’s important that you support their tremendous efforts to bring change to a world in which they only have a child’s understanding. Kudos to you and your kind for making this grand evolutionary leap … it brings a smile to my lips.
Erudite indeed, I’ve seen the signs and banners, and listened to the talk and I have to say, our Founding Fathers would be impressed that such a group willfully expresses themselves in public.
I admire your hope that a future President, rather than a prison recidivist, chronic drug user, or just angry malcontent might be the future of these fine people – I am truly delighted at the prospect at all the potential leadership this group promises.
And for their rights, let this wonderful group decide what and when they are and at whose expense, they have the right to choose how to define their rights and to share their ninth grade education with the masses.
In fact, let’s all go to the courthouse and stake out a spot to tell it like it is. No permits should be necessary, no responsibility required … people got their rights.
Thank you, you’ve really shed some light on the topic.
Verbena was experiencing sever back pain prior to that event, and is still struggling with it currently. To criticize somebodies ability to move freely based on the limitations of their body is rude and inconsiderate. Shame on you. Secondly, for all of those who believe in limits on free speech and freedom of assembly, you don’t deserve either. Luckily the opinion of this young Anti Fascist does not and will not dictate the behavior of any person. Put your priorities straight. No struggle has ever won it’s opportunity for equivalency by politely asking. No use for Verbena? There is no use for your attitude. You may not agree with her or support her antics which is irrelevant. Your spotlighting her activism in a negative light while suppressing your own activity. See what I mean? By focusing on dedicated, although volatile, activists your forget that you are suppressing your own ability to set the precedent for the change you wish to see in this community and abroad. I don’t usually troll the blog comments of the Journal in particular, but, this had to be said.
Boy, the comments here just get better and better!
Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see.
Only an idiot would assume to know the before and after based on a single photo… a split second in time.
Now that’s text book arrogance… good luck when ‘a photo’ is used against you and someone in power claims you did ‘X’ before and after and therefore guilty.
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