After weeks of fyah spewin’ between dancehall enthusiasts and LGBT activists, Bonus Entertainment’s Beau DeVito just made the following announcement about the location of tonight’s controversial Capleton show via da Facebooks:
CAPLETON @ the ocean grove tonight…30adv at peoples records arcata and nhs arcata….doors at 9…Blaaze it !!!
That would be the Ocean Grove Lodge in Trinidad. Adjust your life accordingly.
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I like[d] that place.
The Ocean Grove Lodge chooses to host a performer who (only sometimes, of course, so it’s OK!) calls for gay people to be killed. I in turn choose never to patronize that establishment. Ain’t freedom of speech grand?
Yeah! dance and love 4 all Jah Love! Capleton plays where we have no bad paople to bring it down!
JAH FREEDOM!!
Freedom is grand. Freedom to preform. Freedom to protest. Freedom to boycott. Ultimately Capleton Plays Humboldt with no issues of hate and good people attending the show. Beenie man, and elephant Man will be here soon. Time to give up the lame misinformed fight. Reggae 1. Suppressors 0
Going to be hard to protest at the OG. They own the parking lot and will ask you to leave. That leaves across the street on the 101 and that is a safety issue and the cops will ask you to leave.
On second thought, I probably never would have gone there anyways. That place looks like a dump. Probably just desperate to make a buck any way they can.
They? You mean the guy who owns is? Or the Matt the bartender?
I hope he opens with an anti-gay song! RRRRRRASTAAAAAA
They Referring to the extra security that will be in full force tonight.
I guess I won’t be drinking in Trinidad anymore…
Thats okay im sure you really never go there anyway.
will you be going again this year Andrew. To report on another great night of positive vibes with no homophobic propagation?
Tell the Security to bring giant military dildos to wade the lezbos off during their protests, and watch out for flying used tampons! Yah Capleton! We Love Ya!
When someone who has called for the death of LGBT people comes to a town, someone should speak out against that.
LGBT people and others who support equal rights and fair treatment of LGBT people are often accused of “censorship” when we speak out against “kill LGBT” performers such as Capleton. But it is Capleton and the other murder music artistes who are trying to censor LGBT people. LGBT people are actually killed in Jamaica and once you are dead, you no longer have any “freedom of speech.” Killing someone or threatening to kill someone is the ultimate censorship. It is very effective censorship in Jamaica and the Caribbean, where an LGBT person clearly risks their life if they speak out.
If a murder music performance is not canceled, it is very helpful to have documentation of the performance. Were “kill LGBT” comments made from the stage? Were “kill LGBT” songs performed? Were homophobic songs played between performances? Video and audio documentation is helpful. Be a spy for freedom! Post the homophobic stuff on YouTube. Let us know if the performance is or is not homophobic.
u cant stop the fiyah! good prevails ova evil!
Misinformed? The protestors have been able to back up their arguments with documentative video and lyrics, including video of Capleton breaking his RCA agreement. That aside, he still profits off murder music and still promotes violence in Jamaica, where LGBT people aren’t able to have the voice to protest that they do here. This isn’t just about the right to stand up against and protest musicians who’ve had a history of spewing hatred and then going back on their agreements to stop, this is about protesting discrimination and violence against LGBT people everywhere.
threatening to kill someone is not the ultimate censorship. Especially when it is metaphorical. Sticks and stones bulldyke
Capleton burns everything! HE even burns half the people going to the show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZguPqXS_rek
LGBT UNITE!!!!
IM A DYKE AND IM PROUD!!
LGBT FIGHT!!!
may all remain peaceful in whatever they endeavor to be a part of this evening!
You go girl!!!!! We right wit ya honey!!! Give them hell!!!! We see you there!!!!
The “metaphor” ceases to be a metaphor when actual people are attacked and killed as a result, as has been the case in Jamaica.
BRING LOUD WHISTLES AND NOISEMAKERS TO THE BOYCOTT!!
WE’LL BE THERE VIDEO RECORDING CRAPLETON!!
ACTION NETWORK!!
PO BOX 4784
ARCATA, CA
you see Rachel this is what makes you a part of the lunatic fringe.
“The “metaphor” ceases to be a metaphor when actual people are attacked and killed as a result, as has been the case in Jamaica.”
no one has been killed as a result of these lyrics. Lyrics of a song can not kill people it is art.
Rachel, If a person listened to ice t’s cop killa then goes n kills a cop , its still a metaphor to ice t. I dont buy the idea that it could incite violence. Words are words and actions are actions
yo quick turn on Trey Parker and Matt Stone of south park to this hoopla. This would make a great south park episode.
No video recording or flash photography is allowed @ the venue and no noise is allowed outside as there are campers in the area.The parking lot is private and for club patrons only. Cops and security have been notified.
No doubt dude, hahahah screw the hippies and lezbo!! Let’s go hit up with Kenny I think they just got their foodstamps and want candy!
You Rastas are so much fun! You actually sit there claiming to be about peace and love and then threaten to murder people left and right. One only need look over the words of your people on these pages to see the darkness and hate you are trying to bring to our community. Everyone who has the resources should protest these fools in person at every pathetic show they attempt to have.
Seems a bit reminiscent of a kettle and a pot…
It’s the weed Jah, da weed from Jah to his people.
I’m ready for de love an peace for all.
Oh look! A bunch of yuppies saying they’ll never visit the Open Grave.
Also note the local business that sold tickets. Not that I ever buy anything there, but still.
Did you protest cop killer when it came out?
COMMENT / BY MAGICAL BEANS / TODAY, 8:11 P.M.
Did you protest cop killer when it came out?
In Humboldt we’d cheer to have a dead pig!
None of these ardent defenders of rasta culture bothered to discuss their feelings with the small group of college students, moms and three sisters in drag protesting the Ocean Grove Capleton show Thursday night. We got one guy yelling about tolerance. A drunk guy in flip flops. And an extreeeeemely high blond dude suggesting that everyone ride a rainbow unicorn. No Ras Mike. No Super Andrew. No NCJ Lost Its Way… the tough guys on the interwebs felt more laid back in person, it seemed.
Oh, and needless to say, Beau DeVito opted to stay indoors. No BOOMS from the big guy.
I wonder how Matt the gay bartender there at Ocean Grove Lodge handled all the drama. That guy must be having trouble sleeping tonight!
so you’re outing Matt on National Coming Out Day? Maybe ask for his consent first.
Relax McNally. Matt’s already out. Besides, look at the time….coming out day was yesterday, fool.
It be nice if club owners would responsibilized themselves and not offer a platform for people who promote violence. Even if Capleton did not sing any gay bashing song in CA (or maybe elsewehre in the states), he does promote violence in the Caribbean. Such attitude should be taken into consideration when government give a visa to a singer. Club owners: RESPONSIBILIZE YOURSELF.
Capleton haven’t really moved away from his violent homophobic past. Check the website Murder Inna Dancehall that I’ve done by clicking on IRIE ITES above.
Later FAGS!
Vote Romney! Vote Freedom!
Ocean grove was Wayne Adam ford’s bar, as I recall.
Thanks to Terrence and the others who went up there so late in the evening to stand in the cold and protest. I admire you for that!
Me too, now I know some of who’s the real and bi-sexual fags in Hum.
This action was only the beginning, and if people want to use their vehicles as weapons again, I will press charges. We learned quite a bit last night. Next time, there will ten cam corders. Such peaceful Rasta dudes (Sarcasm)
YEAH TOTALLY! GBLT (GAY BACON LETTUCE TOMATO) SANDWICHES ARE MY FAVORITE. I USED TO BE A RASTA BUT IT SWITCHED IT UP ON YALL FOOLS. NOW I WORSHIP SATAN AND PUT FUNNY STUFF IN AND AROUND MY BUTT. MORE FIRE!
Not a single one of the ardent defenders of rasta culture or gay bashers on these NCJ Cap threads bothered to interact or talk to the group of protesters. No one. Not North Coast Agenda, Ras Mike… certainly not Beau DeVito. The group was comprised of mainly college students, a couple parents and three sisters in drag. Some people limit their beliefs to anonymous blog postings and don’t move in the physical world.
Terrance,i ever said I was going to the show. And those 10 protesters???? Thats about how may people care abut your stupid cause..Take that shit to s.f. and let the hippys n loggers have Humboldt
“never”
Even in S.F. no one protests when Capleton plays..There is bigger things goin on than to worry about some obscure artist that 99.9%of the world has ever heard of.
Then by all means, Massage Man Mike… continue limiting your human interactions to blog comments. I think we’ll leave our shit right here where we live in the meantime
I have one word…..yawn.
Lame
That’s right Ras Mike, if only one tenth of the world cares about something than the rest of us shouldn’t. Your logic escapes me.
How many people showed up for the concert and paid to get in? Did it look as if devito made money on this?
Unanonymous… you wrote that twice so you yawned twice… anonymously.
Looked like about 50 people inside. There was plenty of parking available. Maybe Beau cleared $1,500 in gross ticket sales after bro deals. He woulda paid the venue, three poor schlubs for security, rented a PA and then forked over to Cap and his entourage for whatever it took to get them off the 5. We can figure Beau DeVito is not going to Disneyland after this.
Yeah, contrary to your belief, promoting reggae shows is a labor of love not a capitalist venture. it cost close to 10 g’s to bring Capleton. As for the”massage Man mike’ I only work on females, sorry Terrance no happy ending 4 you!
Note to self…never get a massage from a guy named Mike…
Yes, as I said Rachel , i only work ladies,
“COMMENT / BY TATTOO MIKE / TODAY, 10:56 A.M.
YEAH TOTALLY! GBLT (GAY BACON LETTUCE TOMATO) SANDWICHES ARE MY FAVORITE. I USED TO BE A RASTA BUT IT SWITCHED IT UP ON YALL FOOLS. NOW I WORSHIP SATAN AND PUT FUNNY STUFF IN AND AROUND MY BUTT. MORE FIRE!”
Call me sexy pie, I am to into sticking objects into my anus! Let’s meet up at Ocean Grove Bar. 822-ANUS
I wish i could go to this but i can’t, this got way of out hand from the Red Fox cancellation, to the “DJ’s” cancelling their night. Funny enough ‘DJ Gabe’ plays reggae from that little island called Jamaica. I dont know if he’s been there but nobody agrees with the gay lifestyle,I feel a protest coming on.Crazy..Whats next,no hippies in humbolt
Hey, Ras Mike—word’s out that you headed home with one of the Sisters last night and ended up on the bottom! I’ve seen the video and the part where you took it up the rear without any lube is a classic! You worked it like a lady, dude.
Hey, RasMike, you’ll have to fovgive my ex Felix Dixon-Linotmine, he is really jealous.
Beau DeVito will need to keep his day job for some time. The official attendance count at his big Capleton bust in Trinidad was 52, five of who were on the guest list. DeVito had big losses from that concert dud.
The unhappy owner of Ocean Grove Lodge was pretty pissed over the lousy bar receipts and has informed DeVito that he won’t be welcomed back there until he finds an act that can draw more than a few dozen. Looks like the big Bogus….er, Bonus man will be eating beans from a can for awhile until he can save up enough scratch to try again.
Sister Shelita Buffet, i cant believe u showed him that video. not cool!
oops…I will make it up to you.
JAH SUPPORTS NO QUEERBOY
JAH LIVES FOR THE VICTORIOUS!
Jah is God has never been more than 25 miles from Fortuna. He shops at Winco because Eureka Natural Foods doesn’t carry donuts. Jah’s idea of victorious is when the Fortuna High School football team scores a win. Jah is God is a joke.
I don’t hate reggae. In fact, I enjoy quite a bit of it from time to time. What I really dislike about the whole ‘Rasta’ culture is the pervasive homophobia. I mean, do they really understand the freakishly glaring paradox that they’ve created by touting the tenet of “one love”, and the inherent divisiveness of being homophobic? I’d guess not.
The Jamaicans sure do like White boys when they are locked up together in Unit 5 of San Quentin.
Beenie Man is next. Does Beau DeVito specialize in promoting Murder Music?
You haven’t heard, Humboldt’s conversion from Hippie to Redneck in order to get the majority of bums, vagrants, buttpuckers, and theives out of this land!
-No.
“The unhappy owner of Ocean Grove Lodge was pretty pissed over the lousy bar receipts…”
Tough shit. Host a douchebag, reap what you sow. Hopefully the financial woes for OG continue to mount.
Also, it’s fascinating how quickly this classy fellow’s supporters went from saying “Jeez he doesn’t ask for gays to be killed very often, never here in Cali” to “hey, it’s a cultural metaphor” to “it’s a crime against nature and everybody hates gays, FYAH!” I guess there weren’t too many straws left to grasp at.
Does anyone know the name of the owner of the Ocean Grove? How about his home address? Phone number? License plate number/make/model of his car?
Are there any photos of him on the web? What does he look like? How old is he?
?????
“COMMENT / BY EYE FOR AN EYE / TODAY, 1:11 A.M.
Does anyone know the name of the owner of the Ocean Grove? How about his home address? Phone number? License plate number/make/model of his car?
Are there any photos of him on the web? What does he look like? How old is he?”
Why! You knoe that Capleton’s guys will kill you if you try anything.
Eye for an Eye,
You sound exactly like an FBI agent from the ’60s and ’70s trying to discredit civil rights activists in COINTELPRO. So, you’re not a very good provacateur.
On the off chance that you’re for real, though, let me point out two things:
(1) the owners of the Ocean Grove Lodge simply hosted a performer with despicable views, so any tasks that would require his home address, phone number, or licence plate go far beyond “an eye for an eye.”
(2) “an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind”
The appropriate response is to stop patronizing businesses that do things you consider despicable, and to let people know of the business owners’ behavior, so that they can make their own decisions regarding patronizing the business.
“Eye for an Eye” is simply another Gay, trying to prove something that only exists in his mind. It’s known as Bi-Polar schizoid/maniac.
When you make Humboldt back the way it used to be in 1982 where there are no queers or felons or bums, I see the tourists once again spending their money locally.
Logger Ken longs for the good old days, back “in 1982 where there are no queers or felons or bums.”
Yes, the good ol’ days, when men were men and all were employed and heterosexual. And when women knew their place, titans of industry were paternal and kind, and all Presidents, each and every one of them, were not only above average, but white with graying hair at the temples.
Hey want to party studs?
http://www.freshgaypics.com/
It’s a bit surprising to see Mitch weigh in now since he’s been MIA on this whole thing for most of the time.
He could have used his posting abilities to get the word of the concert location out on Humboldt Herald, but he didn’t. The number of protesters would have been larger if he had announced Ocean Grove as the site of the concert.
Also, didn’t he used to have his own murder music website? What happened to that?
Mitch wasn’t spotted at the protest, which was disappointing because he lives close by in Trinidad.
There is some speculation that Mitch kept his distance from all this because he doesn’t get along with Michael Weiss (sister fawn) and Todd Larson. Mitch is a radical faerie which could explain his dislike of the sisters, especially when they show up in clown drag.
Anyway, it’s a bit disconcerting to see Mitch yapping away now when he could have been more involved earlier. He could have made a bigger difference.
Ronson,
I’m sorry you find my yapping disconcerting. I’m not sure how you think my presence at the protest would have helped. I know what I feel comfortable doing and what I’m not comfortable doing; I do what I feel comfortable doing. and I’m sorry if you feel it is inadequate.
Also, as far as Humboldt Against Hate, it didn’t seem important to leave it up given that I can now post at the Herald, and given that there’s a large Facebook group in connection with any protests. All it would have done is split the discussion further.
As for why I was not posting in the past week, it’s completely unrelated to this matter or any other you could imagine.
Mitch, what a sorry bunch of whining. Hey, if you don’t have the balls to get out and protest, then you should just shut the fuck up.
Also, getting the word out doesn’t “split the discussion”. It spreads the information. You didn’t use your ability to post at the Herald anyway, so you did neither.
Also, as I wrote before, “There is some speculation that (you) kept (your) distance from all this because (you) doesn’t get along with Michael Weiss (sister fawn) and Todd Larson. Mitch is a radical faerie which could explain his dislike of the sisters, especially when they show up in clown drag.”
Apparently you only “feel comfortable” yapping on the blogs. You’re a sad character.
Perhaps Mitch was too shy to go the protest because he was presenting to be on the rag.
From the beginning, I’ve been completely clear about my unwillingness to participate in this beyond pointing out facts on the blogs when I see lies being spread. I was specifically asked by someone a month or more ago if I’d participate, and I responded no.
So, a few facts.
I am not now nor have I ever been a radical faerie.
I am unaware of any conflict between the radical faeries and the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.
If I were aware of such conflict, I would not care.
Although I don’t know either Michael or Todd very well, I respect each for his public spiritedness, his generosity with his time and talent, and his ability to get things done.
Isn’t Ronson the name of a lighter fluid brand? If you really feel your time is well spent complaining about me, by all means carry on. But it might be better spent criticizing those who call for the murder of gay people.
I did make a crack on this blog about straight men getting up in drag and thinking they were cool at Bat’n’Rouge, which is a Sisters sponsored event. Is that where this is coming from?
I don’t have a problem with transvestites or drag, and if transvestites enjoy getting up in drag, more power to them. I do feel that a straight, non-transvestite man who thinks he’s being all cool and proggie by dressing up as a woman once a year with, mostly, other straight, non-transvestite men is being kind of silly. But it’s not really my business, so I shouldn’t have said anything.
Mitch Trachtenberg, it seems as if your bravery only goes as far as typing blog entries. Are you shy? Are you afraid people will recognize you in the streets? Is that why you won’t show up in public even when invited?
Well, here, let’s see what you look like and sound like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYAb560TpRE
Now, isn’t all your secrecy “kind of silly”?
Thanks for the publicity, but there’s a much improved video now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z8Zxw2Im5io
The secrecy is in your mind. I’m proud of my stand on both the issue in the video and on the murder music issue.
Incidentally, I recall being amazed at someone’s comment some time back that people identifying as “gay” were “one trick ponies.” I’d hope that anyone who takes the time to watch the youtube video will see that I’m a two trick pony at least.
Mitch Trachtenberg, come on you big lover, get with it. You should be proud to be Gay!
You should be proud to masturbate gay pictures on your computer every day.
And finally, you should be screaming in excitement while your male dog humps you from behind, howling to the stars..
Well, for anyone wondering why I don’t generally use my last name on the blogs, Big Dog demonstrates one reason.
Thanks, Big Dog.
I’ve never really understood the concept of being “proud to be gay,” any more than I understand the concept of being “proud to be straight” or “proud to be blue eyed.” I certainly don’t have any problem with being gay, though, and I’ve been out since my 20s.
George Carlin on being proud of who you are:
“I saw a slogan on a guy’s car that said “Proud to be an American” and I thought “What the fuck does that mean?”
I’m fully Irish, and when I was a kid I would go to the St Patrick’s Day parade and they sold a button that said “Proud to be Irish”, but I knew that on Columbus day they sold the same button only it said “Proud to be Italian”, then came Black Pride, and Puerto Rican Pride. And I could never understand national or ethnic pride, because to me Pride should be reserved for something you achieve on your own.
Being Irish isn’t a skill, it’s a fucking genetic accident. You wouldn’t be proud to be 5’11”. You wouldn’t be proud to have a pre-disposition for colon cancer.”
Big Dog can be proud of his interest in zoophilia, as that’s clearly something he’s achieved on his own.
Woof Woof RRRRRRRRWoof, Woof!
Translation for gays: Use a condom before you stick it in my azz, thanks!
Actually, Mitch, the first video is better. It’s darker and harder to see you.
Still, it’s clear you’re obese, bald and short. You should rethink doing drag, though. Those moobs would look great in a bra.
Note to Ronson: It’s the Billys, not the faeries. I have photos.
Keep on writing, great job!
Comment / By James / Today, 12:23 p.m.
“I have photos.”
Ooohh, I want some! How much for Mitch’s old flabby butt?
Kevin, you can have the butt shots for free. They ain’t pretty and I don’t want them.
The best ones show Mitch prancing around the campfire naked as a jaybird. It’s kind of strange that he’d do that but he’s too uptight to be seen in public at a murder music protest.
I wonder if the old queen writes his wordy blog posts in the buff. Hey, at his weight he has to be diabetic!
BTW, here’s info about Mitch Trachtenberg’s Billys group:
http://thebillys.org/
This is the sort of thing that I’ve long since become resigned to. I assume it’s coming from the music promoters, an annoyed “reporter,” and/or the venue owners, but it’s not inconceivable that it’s coming from “a member of the gay community.” No group of human beings is fully without people like this.
The billies are a great group of men — really wonderful people that I’d recommend highly to any gay person — but I haven’t gone to a Billy event in many years.
The Billys may be “really wonderful people” but they are also notorious for nudity, promiscuous sex, drug use and cross dressing. What’s worth noting is that Mitch was for awhile an officer in the organization. He was deeply involved in Billy “activities”.
(Billys group:
http://thebillys.org/)
IIIIIIiiiiieeeeewwwwwwwwwwww….!
Gay people scare me. AIDS comes from God!
If the Capleton defenders in this thread actually set out to prove that they are a bunch of intellectually stunted homophobic losers, seething with hatred and apparently incapable of making any sort of cogent point, well then congratulations, mission accomplished!.
“(Mitch Trachtenberg) was deeply involved in Billy “activities”.
Somehow it’s reassuring to know that dumpy old Mitch has a bigger life than just one as an obsessed blog commenter cemented behind his keyboard.
And based on Melinda’s comment…I rest my case.
If you want to attack someone, demoralize them or besmirch their character, you should try it on evidence based grounds. I can not imagine why masterbation, sexuality or body image have anything to do with a valid or critical point. It does not diminish his moral character, provide a basis for knowing his ethical standards or even his wit. However that you could imagine humping a dog, it says more about you than about Mitch. You really ought to be ashamed about that, it is really frowned upon, and in some states you get prison time for it.
Well, Hiding Like you, whatever. It does appear that something has stuck. Mitch has a reputation for getting the last word and arguing something down to the size of the head of a pin. I guess the web-researchable proof of the old queen reveling in “nudity, promiscuous sex, drug use and cross dressing” has finally shut him up. Good riddance.
You say “reveling in “nudity, promiscuous sex, drug use and cross dressing” like they were bad things…
So what? You’re just so embarassed by your own inadequacies that you launch into him. you sound like a troll. Grow up, do what Capleton did, since you seem to be idolizing him so much: smoke a bowl, put on a sarong.
By Hiding, do your homework. Mitch above wrote that ” I do feel that a …….man who thinks he’s being all cool and proggie by dressing up as a woman……..with other……men is being kind of silly.”
It’s been proven that he is a former board member of an organization of
men who dress up as women. By his own definition, he’s ridiculous.
Hiding, do YOU engage in promiscuous sex and use drugs? Perhaps you and Mitch are birds of a feather.
I’m sorry to see the North Coast Journal hosting the kind of vitriol formally reserved for the likes of The Humboldt Mirror.
Personally, the first thought I ever had when I first learned that some men were gay was that it meant, mathematically speaking, it improved my odds with the world’s straight women.
Comment / By tra / Yesterday, 10:10 p.m.
If the Capleton defenders in this thread actually set out to prove that they are a bunch of intellectually stunted homophobic losers…
You better watch it “tra” you bad vibe.
Again,RONSON, you say these things like they are bad things. I do not see these things as bad things. Let’s see, promiscuous sex: loose sexual morals, let’s try to understand what that means: let’s go to an authority of the subject: The Bible: did you RONSON have sexual intercourse before marriage? Did you ever do anything besides missionary position? Did you ever look at your neighbor’s wife? Ever sleep with someone else’s wife? And if so, did you at least pay them for damaging their property? (You really ought to read up on Leviticus) Drugs? Well what can we say excep tthat I would definitely consider using oopium if the only reality available was the bitter and uninspiring one you conjure. As for dressing in women’s clothing, am I am a man? am I a woman? Are there more considerations than that limited view? Is the world so dichotomous, or is this a model we place upon it becasue some people are too cretonous to make it more complicated? I have already said you are an idiot, so I suppose, for you, we will maintain the world is as simple as opposing dichotomies, good and bad, light and dark, angel devil, etc…So I suppose no matter what is actually true for me, I am only your target, you, the aggressor, creating a victim. Except, I refuse to be your victim. Camille Paglea wrote a great essay about victims of gay bashing have an option, and given its absence, it seems she has a point, if we want the bashings to stop, we have only to carry and use guns, in self-defense, as is our second amendment right. Can you imagine a queer with a gun?
As for who I am and what I do and do not do: not that it is you business, I do not feel that anyone shows them selves to be anything more than property if they try to manipulate others based on exclusive sexual interactions. It is not anyone’s right to expect they own another person’s body, actions or choices. That people enter into contractual relationships (i.e. marriage) determines to what degree they can act, not wether or not they participate in sexual relations with multiple partners if they have no such agreements. To expect anyone to behave as if their body were the posssession of another is to distort the ideas of self-actualization. I choose to have multiple or a singular sexual partner based on my own choice, not on the pressure of a zealous unquestioning idiot like RONSON. Furthermore, To apply the consideration of singular partner sexual relations to men is to miss what the Bible says. This expectation is placed on women. Polygyny is the model put forward by the Bible. Meaning a woman makes this vow as property, not the man. She shows herself to be the willing property of a man. What marriage means today is a protection of property rights against the state and property rights over bodies.
Cross dressing: A man dressing in the clothes of a woman or vis-versa. I don’t have any clothing that belongs to a the opposite sex. I have clothing that I wear to express who I am, what I feel and how I want to be seen. I doubt anything I have ever worn can be seen as looking anything like a the opposite sex. I don’t see how this is of any value at all, or how one can extract moral superiority over how one person weaves or stitches textiles and paints patterns on them. What a bull shit way to define your values: I am a Star Bellied Sneech! You don’t have a Star! Don’t you understand how stupid this is. If not I have to stand by my original assertion that Ronson, you are an idiot.
As it so happens, I choose to be associated with Mitch, I choose to be defined by what I want to experience in this life and not by those things zealots and idiots push on me. Since I have to worry about my safety though, and for those I love, I can not associate myself with Mitch… He is far braver, more noble than I would dare to be. Thank you Mitch, for simply showing that we can be free, fully self actualized and a positive person that experiences happiness, despite all the little RONSONS.
Did you catch that, Mitch? She can’t associate herself with you. She can write hundreds of words of stupid garbage, but she can’t be linked to the likes of you.
Fuck you, Hiding. You make me laugh.
Such a mature, constructive discussion this has become.
Really: your words say I have touched the core of you, in which case, I suppose I have penetrated you, Ronson. And in your vission of the universe, that can only be bad. If you were more like me, it could be soooo good. But since you have been penetrated, try to enjoy it, Ronson. You anonymity is just like the parks you haunt, a john, a traveling salesman… a wisp of smoke. Ronson you are an illusion.
It shows that between two of the most villified groups in America: the Imperial Knights of the Klu Klux Klan, and the Gay Rights group, which claims minority are being killed because “God hates fags.”
Wisely chucking their traditional hooded white robes for camouflage fatigues, the members of the Humboldt County branch of the Klan came to protest the message of the so-called “Freedom 4 Fags” in their fortified building in McKinlleyville.
“It’s the loggers and Men that fought and died and gave them that right to free speech,” Dennis LaBonte, the self-described “Imperial Wizard” of the Klan branch, told CNN.
“God Hates Fags”: Abigail Phelps, a member of the K.K.K. believes.
“People like them say it’s White power … White supremacy,” Phelps said. “The Bible doesn’t say anywhere that it’s an abomination to be born of a certain gender or race.”
LaBonte insisted he is not a racist nor a “hate-monger,” but said he believes the White race is “slowly and most assuredly being denigrated.”
Regarding Ronsons comments from up above: “There is some speculation that Mitch kept his distance from all this because he doesn’t get along with Michael Weiss (sister fawn) and Todd Larson. Mitch is a radical faerie which could explain his dislike of the sisters, especially when they show up in clown drag.”
FYI – I just learned about this page today. Let me clear up some misinformation – Mitch is actually one of the founding members of our Sister house here in Humboldt and a very large percentage of Sisters are Radical Faeries and many live on the Faery encampments and are consider the spiritual extension extension of the Faeries. Two of the founding members of the original Sister house in SF have lived on Faerie encampments since the early 80’s.
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Comment / By Sadie Johanson / Oct. 15, 7:32 p.m.
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IIIIIIiiiiieeeeewwwwwwwwwwww….! Gay people scare me. AIDS comes from God!
Let’s see if I can figure this out. According to Americans, germ theory is consensus. Sadie is an American. “AIDS comes from God.” Apparently, Gay people scare Sadie. I think we are supposed to derive that all Gay people have AIDS. So lets take that forward…All Gay people have AIDS…God gives AIDS to Gay people…so God, since he has AIDS to give must be Gay…so, Sadie must be afraid of God…because Gay people are Gods. Yes, I think I understand. Thank you, what a compliment Sadie.