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Re: “Unconcealed

Mr. Sims, I sent you a "Letter to the Editor" in response to your "Pistol Packing People" article published September 25th, 2008. You acknowledged reciept of my letter and responded with a personal e-mail, which I appreciate. You chose, however, to not publish my letter. This is your right as the editor and I was, quite frankly, not surprised that you chose to not publish my letter. I have no intent to use the California Public Records Act and the 2nd Ammendment of the United States Constitution to find and publish all personal information about you which is available as a matter of public record. You and I both know that it would be completely legal for me to do this. I will not do this because, just because it is legal does not mean it is RIGHT. I do respect your privacy, in spite of the fact that you apparently do not respect mine. I also find it interesting that you apparently have more respect for the privacy of criminals than you do for the privacy of law abiding citizens. Like Joe Jones, I am also interested in hearing your answer to his question. WHY DID YOU PUBLISH OUR NAMES?

Posted by Poogsdad on 10/05/2008 at 7:21 PM

Re: “Pistol Packing People

Robash, you continue to attempt to defend a position that has been clearly and articulately demonstrated by the vast majority of commenters here as indefensible. I highly recommend that, rather continuing this argument that you will not win, that you research the requirements for a CCW in Humboldt County and apply for one. Sheriff Gary Phelp is no pushover and will not issue a CCW permit just because he can. He does not, however, require you to jump through many of the "Hoops" or pay the exorbitant fees that many other counties seem to force upon their CCW applicants. Sheriff Phelp has place a great deal of trust in each of us by issuing us a CCW. We are all well aware of Sheriff Phelp's expectations of us and, I am confident in saying, we will never knowingly violate the trust Sheriff Phelp has placed in us. If you are able to complete a reasonable training program and demonstrate safe weapons handling skills (shoot and qualify with 50 rounds through each weapon you desire on your CCW), pass a federal and state criminal background check, and demonstrate that you are a mature, stable, level-headed adult while articulating a reasonable good cause in an oral interview, you will very likely be issued a CCW Permit by Sheriff Phelp. You obviously have a very difficult time understanding why we feel the way we do and why we feel so strongly about having our names on the front cover of the NCJ. Just because it was legal for the NCJ to print our names does not make it right. We are not elitist. We are not paranoid. We are not living in fear. We are not looking for a fight. The last thing we want is to draw attention to ourselves. When we do it right (CCW), no one will ever know we are doing it. We are normal law abiding citizens who have chosen to make the defense of ourselves and our loved ones our personal responsibility. Robash, research the requirements for a CCW. Take the training required to obtain a CCW. Submit to the background checks we have all passed. Sit before an interviewer and demonstrate that you are a mature, stable, level-headed adult while articulating a reasonable good cause. Only after doing these things and being issued a CCW will you truly understand us and the responsibilities we have willingly accepted by choosing to carry a firearm for personal protection. Only after doing what we have done and walked in our shoes, will you have the credibility to continue this argument, if you choose to do so.

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Posted by Poogsdad on 10/02/2008 at 11:42 AM

Re: “Pistol Packing People

I am a disabled veteran and I also have a CCW. Like all CCW holders, I am a firm advocate of the principle of avoidance of situations, which could lead to incidents of violence. Like all CCW holders, I am also a firm believer in effecting a prompt disengagement and calling the police to deal with the situation. Like all CCW holders, I believe in the use of the minimum effective level of force necessary to neutralize the attack. Like all CCW holders, I feel that the use of deadly force is and always should be the option of last resort. Like all CCW holders, I believe that I make every effort to follow the principle of avoiding potentially violent situations in my personal life. Like all CCW holders, I am well trained and work hard to keep my skills sharp and honed, while simultaneously praying I never need to employ these skills. The most profound effect my disability has had on me is in my ability to effectively disengage should I become targeted for violence. My ability to “Run Away” is compromised and I may be forced to stand my ground should my family or I become targeted for violence. The disabled are among the proudest and most productive members of society. They are also among the most vulnerable to being victimized. Their compromised ability to run away or defend themselves makes them easy targets for criminals. I have made the protection of myself and my loved ones my personal responsibility. I will not be a victim and I will do whatever I can, to ensure that those I care about do not become victims either. I am no different than any other law abiding citizen. We all have the right to self protection.

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Posted by Poogsdad on 09/29/2008 at 8:14 PM

Re: “Pistol Packing People

Four more things non-gun people should know about CCW holders Thanks to Serenity at 1911Fourum.com for these thoughtful comments:

  1. The fact that we carry a firearm to any given place does not mean that we believe that place to be inherently unsafe. If we believe a place to be unsafe, most of us would avoid that place all together if possible. However, we recognize that trouble could occur at any place and at any time. Criminals do not observe "gun free zones". If trouble does come, we do not want the only armed persons to be perpetrators. Therefore, we don't usually make a determination about whether or not to carry at any given time based on "how safe" we think a location is.
  2. Concealed weapon permit holders are an asset to the public in times of trouble. The fact that most permit holders have the good judgment to stay out of situations better handled by a 911 call or by simply being a careful and vigilant witness does not mean that we would fail to act in situations where the use of deadly force is appropriate to save lives. Review of high profile public shooting incidents shows that when killers are confronted by armed resistance they tend to either break off the attack and flee or choose to end their own life. Lives are saved when resistance engages a violent criminal. Lives are lost when the criminal can do as he pleases.
  3. The fact that criminals know that some of the population may be armed at any given time helps to deter violence against all citizens. Permit holders don't believe that every person should necessarily be armed. We recognize that some people may not be temperamentally suited to carry a firearm or simply may wish not to for personal reasons. However we do encourage you to respect our right to arm ourselves. Even if you choose not to carry a firearm yourself please oppose measures to limit the ability of law abiding citizens to be armed. As mentioned before: criminals do not observe "gun free zones". Help by not supporting laws that require citizens to be unarmed victims.

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Posted by Poogsdad on 09/29/2008 at 8:11 PM

Re: “Pistol Packing People

Four more things non-gun people should know about CCW holders Thanks to Serenity at 1911Fourum.com for these thoughtful comments:

  1. We are responsible gun owners. We secure our firearms so that children and other unauthorized people cannot access them. Most of us have invested in safes, cases and lock boxes as well as other security measures to keep our firearms secure. Many of us belong to various organizations that promote firearms safety and ownership.
  2. Guns are not unsafe or unpredictable. Modern firearms are well made precision instruments. Pieces do not simply break off causing them to fire. A hot day will not set them off. Most modern firearms will not discharge even if dropped. There is no reason to be afraid of a gun simply lying on a table or in a holster. It is not going to discharge on its own.
  3. We do not believe in the concept of "accidental discharges". There are no accidental discharges only negligent discharges or intentional discharges. We take responsibility for our actions and have learned how to safely handle firearms. Any case you have ever heard of about a gun "going off" was the result of negligence on somebody's part. Our recognition of our responsibility and familiarity with firearms makes us among the safest firearms owners in America.
  4. Permit holders do their best to keep our concealed weapons exactly that: concealed. However, there are times when an observant fellow citizen may spot our firearm or the print of our firearm under our clothes. We are very cognizant that concerns about terrorism and crime are in the forefront of the minds of most citizens. We also realize that our society does much to condition our fellow citizens to have sometimes irrational fears about firearms. We would encourage citizens who do happen to spot someone carrying a firearm to use good judgment and clear thinking if they feel the need to take action. Please recognize that it's very uncommon for a criminal to use a holster. However, if you feel the need to report having spotted a firearm we would ask that you please be specific and detailed in your call to the police or in your report to a store manager or private security. Please don't generalize or sensationalize what you observed. Comments like "there's a guy running around in the store with a gun" or even simply "I saw a man with a gun in the store" could possibly cause a misunderstanding as to the true nature of the incident.

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Posted by Poogsdad on 09/29/2008 at 8:10 PM

Re: “Pistol Packing People

Three things non-gun people should know about CCW holders Thanks to Serenity at 1911Fourum.com for these thoughtful comments:

  1. We don't carry firearms so that we can ignore other basics of personal safety. Every permit holder that I know realizes that almost all dangerous situations can be avoided by vigilance, alertness and by simply making wise choices about where one goes and what one does. We don't walk down dark alleys. We lock our cars. We don't get intoxicated in public or hang out around people who do. We park our cars in well lighted spots and don't hang out in bad parts of town where we have no business. A gun is our last resort, not our first.
  2. We don't think we are cops, spies, or superheroes. We aren't hoping that somebody tries to rob the convenience store while we are there so we can shoot a criminal. We don't take it upon ourselves to get involved in situations that are better handled by a 911 call or by simply standing by and being a good witness. We don't believe our guns give us any authority over our fellow citizens. We also aren't here to be your unpaid volunteer bodyguard. We'll be glad to tell you where we trained and point you to some good gun shops if you feel you want to take this kind of responsibility for your personal safety. Except for extraordinary circumstances your business is your business, don't expect us to help you out of situations you could have avoided.
  3. We are LESS likely, not more likely, to be involved in fights or "rage" incidents than the general public. We recognize, better than many unarmed citizens, that we are responsible for our actions. We take the responsibility of carrying a firearm very seriously. We know that loss of temper, getting into fights or angrily confronting someone after a traffic incident could easily escalate into a dangerous situation. We are more likely to go out of our way to avoid these situations. We don't pull our guns to settle arguments or to attempt to threaten people into doing what we want.

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Posted by Poogsdad on 09/29/2008 at 8:07 PM

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