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Re: “College in Revolt

c. Someone has provided a list of tangible corrections; a broken swimming pool, closed libraries on the weekend, and etc. This individual has provided a focus which I think is probably the most constructive comment made on this website. Most of the items on the list appear to be budgetary, they cost money to enact. How would the staff address these problems, assuming something has to be cut from budget to cover the addressed problems? From this point forward, how would things get fixed? d. Conspiracy theories are easy to believe because they feed more on emotion than fact. Assuming that phone lines are tapped, claiming that reviews are used to silence others. It is the lack of facts and the abundance of assumptions, and “I’ve heard”, that I find most discrediting of the above article. This is a repeat of my earlier statement with greater emphasis on reality. Facts are needed to substantiate claims. I can’t say that the administration has been saint like, other wise there wouldn’t be such a polarization in opinion. But it certainly doesn’t appear that that staff has been saints either. Fears are perpetuated with articles and can give legitimacy to juvenile behavior.
As a professional I am a change management consultant. I change business software in businesses to become manageable and healthy. I hear how my product sucks, how the old way was better and doesn’t need to be changed. Sometimes they are right, but one thing is universal. People don’t like change and will sometimes fight tooth and nail so they don’t have too. It’s not me, it’s not the product, it’s not about legacy, it is about fear of change. That’s why I question the validity of grievances when the visceral emotion of dislike is so strong. Maybe your president is not as good as he should be, but I bet few have actually looked into themselves for their own motives.

Posted by Out-Sider Looking In: PT2 on 04/08/2010 at 1:19 PM

Re: “College in Revolt

Reply all. I really wish I knew more about the history of CR, perhaps better understand why there is so much animosity the staff has for the administration.
As for the Accreditation commission reports. I have found ACCJC Visiting reports and ACCJC Action letters as far back as 2006. It is some heavy reading and I’ll get through it this weekend. What I have noted immediately is that the ACCJC put CR College on Probation in July 2007 before the current president was appointed April 2008. Hence the problems at the college appear to predate President Marsee. But I have a few observations to make which really come from the above article and comments posted. a. Can I as an outsider looking in take someone seriously that “…exposed, censured, and publicly disgraced.” faculty because they were “buddied up with the admin.” It sounds more like dissenters will not be tolerated, the same accusation made against the administration towards the staff in the article above. Can I honestly believe all communication from the staff to the admin has been open and constructive? b. An Interim President is more like a substitute teacher. “Get along with everyone; I’m here for a short period of time. Don’t start any major projects; I won’t be here to finish them.” Saying bring back in Interim President is like saying bring back a likable substitute teacher. He may have been a great administrator, but he was still temporary.

Posted by Out-Sider Looking In: PT1 on 04/08/2010 at 1:19 PM

Re: “College in Revolt

Looking at posts after an article can be fun. It looks like most of the respondents to this article are CR staff. I wonder about a few things.

  1. Complaining about the multiple Presidents coming and going. Has it occurred to anyone that the only constant is the staff? That they may be the problem, not the Presidents who leave?
  2. The staff portrays themselves as a collective histrionic personality disorder, with a dab of persecution complex. Worried about tapped phone lines, a Hitler like president, not getting to give input about adding night classes. Have any of the staff held jobs outside of academics? Employees don't have rights to privacy on email that sits on a server and phone conversations are recorded "for quality assurance". Just call the cable company and you may hear the prompt. But to assume there is a Gestapo running around seems a little far fetched.
  3. For a college that has been in and out of probation as an accredited institution for years, should be willing to do anything to get out and stay out of it. But the staff doesn’t want to change and persecutes presidents that try to. If it was serious about academics, education, the criticism would be serious and substantial, like there is a giant hole in the library roof that is not going to be repaired. Not, we got cheerleaders and a soccer team because someone wanted them.
Maybe CR should collapse; maybe the cultural sickness is too institutionalized to be changed.

Posted by Out-Sider Looking In on 04/07/2010 at 10:05 AM

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