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Re: “That Dam Breitbart Story

There are 225 references I attempted to post with the last message and several more times without success. As with this message, not sure if they will show up later or not at all. Let me know if you wish to see more and I will continue to try.

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Posted by coz on 02/27/2017 at 1:33 PM

Re: “That Dam Breitbart Story

Dear Wow?

Thanks for your insightful and articulate response, especially for profiling me as a brainwashed idiot piece of s***. Certainly cant question your intellectual perspective or Klamath expertise.

Brainwashed has been defined as subjected to intensive forced indoctrination resulting in the rejection of old beliefs and acceptance of new ones. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/brainwashed

It is difficult to claim that someone has been brainwashed whose beliefs were formed by actual experiences. Even today being in the water over 50 times a year, I virtually lived in the Klamath at our location before and after Iron Gate, as my grandfather before me. As a youth, I spoke with a number of my grandfathers senior acquaintances born in the region as early as the 1870s, Tribal, mixed, and offspring of settlors. Though inquired separately, they were yet virtually unanimous in their recollections of pre-Project and post Project conditions. Every local multigenerational resident I have spoken with since has remarkably presented almost the exact same renditions, of which many of those facts have been further supported by historical documentation and archeological evidence. Our personal experiences and current studies have continued to confirm those earlier observations. Obviously, your experiences in this most dams impacted region must be equally extensive and in conflict for you to hold such profound response.

As to the references you refer, you obviously must be a person who revels in the certainties of academia. I have read each of the following in the past and much more, many of them multiple times. No doubt you have as well. If you are someone who can actually make a difference in this process, I would be happy to discuss any or all of them.

Have a great day.

Your faithful Brainwashed Idiot Piece of S*** (BIPOS)

References
1. Atlas of Oregon Lakes , Johnson, et al. 1985) (Upper Klamath Lake eutrophic conditions)
2. Spatial and Temporal Dynamics of Cyanotoxins and Their Relation to Other Water Quality Variables in Upper Klamath Lake, Oregon, 200709, By Sara L. Caldwell Eldridge, Tamara M. Wood, and Kathy R. Echols, Scientific Investigations Report 2012-5069 USGS/BOR
3. Upper Klamath Lake Basin Nutrient-Loading StudyAssessment of Historic Flows in the Williamson and Sprague Rivers, By JOHN C. RISLEY and ANTONIUS LAENEN U.S. GEOLOGICAL SURVEY Water-Resources Investigations Report 984198 1999
4. CAUSES AND EFFECTS OF NUTRIENT CONDITIONS IN THE UPPER KLAMATH RIVER Klamath Hydroelectric Project (FERC Project No. 2082) PacifiCorp Portland, Oregon November 2006
5. Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcystis_aeruginosa microcystis aeruginso
6. Recreational exposure to microcystins during algal blooms in two California lakes Lorraine C. Backer,*, Sandra V. McNeel b, Terry Barber, Barbara Kirkpatrick, Christopher Williams, Mitch Irvin, Yue Zhou, Trisha B. Johnson, Kate Nierenber, Mark Aubel, Rebecca LePrell , Andrew Chapman, Amanda Foss, Susan Corum, Vincent R. Hill, Stephanie M. Kieszak, Yung-Sung Cheng 2009

7. Comment for July 8, 2010 Klamath Hydro Settlement NEPA Federal Hearing on Klamath Dams Removal - Gail Whitsett (sediment study biased invalidation)

8. NUTRIENT LOADING OF SURFACE WATERS IN THE UPPER KLAMATH BASIN: AGRICULTURAL AND NATURAL SOURCES, K.A. Rykbost and B.A. Charlton, March 2001 (failure of marshes in less water and higher phosphorus)
9. Paleolimnological evidence of change in a shallow, hypereutrophic lake: Upper Klamath Lake, Oregon, USA, J.M. Eilers, J. Kann et al, March 2003 (Shift of algae to aphanizomenon flos aquae, no total cyanobacterial increases, little chemical changes, change in N:P ratios he assumes to agriculture/forestry when current association more likely temporary condition of prior drained marsh organic decomposition with humic acid shift)

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Posted by coz on 02/27/2017 at 11:46 AM

Re: “That Dam Breitbart Story

In reading Mr. Greensons condescending opinion piece reply to That Dam Breitbart Story, I am heartened that Breitbart readers may be excused by Mr. Greenson for daring to agree with something other than Mr. Greenson's paid-for-print activism. My question is, who will forgive Mr. Greenson?
It sadly seems that unaccountable self-assured intellectual arrogance and assumptive ignorance all too often walk hand in hand.
We are 4 generations on and in the Klamath River at the focal point of dams impact rhetoric, before and after Iron Gate, though apparently not encompassing the profound knowledge of Mr. Greenson writing 180 miles downstream. Of course, we must also apparently defer the resident majority regionally affected experience, documentation, and current studies to the paid-for-agenda predefined position for which Mr. Tucker was imported to promote.
Iron Gate releases average approximately 12% of the volume at the estuary, and the flood conditions destructive to the upper river that Mr. Greenson so easily dismisses often occur with levels comprising less than 3-10% of those typical to same time estuary non-destructive winter flows. We experienced the almost yearly inundation, riparian erosion, sedimentation, environmental degradation, and regional losses that occurred prior to the needed added capacity which Upper Klamath Lake and Copco alone were unable to quell. Those pundits regurgitating agenda constructed bullet points for the uninformed, such as no flood protection, should consider reading the engineering completed years ago supporting regional reality by describing a debris capturing minimum 9 hour attenuation period provided by those reservoirs during high flow events. Though he may be forgiven for stating Upper Klamath Lake averaging less than 8 feet in depth as a deep reservoir, Mr. Greensons solution of increased Upper Klamath Lake capacity to compensate for loss fails to consider the lack of Agreement assured funding or even a practical ability to do so, or the often far greater flood contributions added to the canyon between Link and Iron Gate. None of the profound regularly experienced damages to our region have occurred in the years since Iron Gate, a large part of why it WAS and is still supported by locals.

Virtually EVERY original profiting special interest assured bullet point fabricated in the creation of secret and exclusionary dams removal imposition Agreements has been subsequently shown by experiment and currently monitored data to be completely unsupported and defective in premise. However, NONE of that public rhetoric or orchestrating biological opinions are being allowed alteration until AFTER the hydroelectric/water storage/hatchery facilities are slated for destruction to secure a rewilding agenda. Nearly 80% of those most affected and knowledgeable concerning the facilities now proven environmental benefits have officially voted to keep the dams, but of course Mr. Greenson is infinitely wiser. Current data is now revealing facilities profound and irreplaceable benefits regarding unameliorable natural Upper Basin conditions including biological nutrient sequestration, mircrocystin, and temperatures, and yet none of that is currently allowed in the frenzied maneuvering to forcing environmental/public/private loss and uncompensated confiscation upon the majority most affected before the uninformed become aware or care. Impairments have now been proven benefits, and volitional passage for millions of salmon to hundreds of miles of previous habitat has been refuted not only by ignored pre-Project historical documentation and majority multi-generational experience, but now by proponents own paid studies trying to prove the opposite. Freedom of PacifiCorp choice was NOT the mantra uttered prior to continued threat of seated members proponent lawsuits and specifically altered 401 permits to effectively force Agreement acquiescence, nor does it address the impacts to the unrepresented public/private affected interests in a quasi-public entity facility. A myriad of documented examples exposed by diverse whistleblowers proving the extent of corruption to achieve pre-defined policy directives is available to any who wish to research. Multiple PROVEN alternatives to removals of dams certified in EXCELLENT condition have been repeatedly presented for a FRACTION of removal costs, damage, and risks, but NONE are considered in the face of this one outcome special interest agenda refusing to amend now proven defective FERC EIR mandates. None has said Governor Brown STARTED the removals, but his Water Crisis Management Plan policy directed order that ALL his appointed agencies, including DWR, DFG, and CPUC, WILL do whatever is required to facilitate Klamath Dams removals (which they have) is hardly exculpatory. But then, Mr. Greenson obviously knows all this. Even stranger, had he examined equally available statistics of salmon returns to the dams region over the last hundred years, he might find it not only suggests no pre-Project statistical decline, and in fact productive consistency, but a significant INCREASE of returns with the addition of Iron Gate artificially further enhanced downstream conditions.

Hopefully, Mr. Greenson, I will be another one that the readers might forgive. However, in your accusation to the prior author, whom I dont personally know, questioning his possible motive, I find it interesting throughout this debacle, I have yet to hear of ANYONE from the most knowledgeable and affected majority speaking in opposition to the environmentally and regionally destructive removals who is paid or reimbursed for their moral obligation to do so. On the other hand, in their attempt to divide and conquer a previously trusting regional community, I have also yet to hear a SINGLE locally knowledgeable PROPONENT for removals who ISNT personally profiting from their position, and absolutely NONE who are willing to be held liable for the damages caused. Are you the exception, Mr. Greenson? I thought not.

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Posted by coz on 02/26/2017 at 11:44 AM

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