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Re: “Beer Me, Jesus

Force? I consider my comments to be encouraging. Is Dan so flimsy that he needs your defense? I have offered nothing to this discussion that I consider an attack. I have also addressed that accusation and made it clear that is not my intent. If a car is heading off of a cliff, how long do you have to think about what to do? This article is Dan's cliff, how long will he wait to course correct?

Posted by activision on 08/21/2010 at 4:17 PM

Re: “Beer Me, Jesus

@ Albee, when was it that you decided to be straight? I find it interesting that whether or not homosexuality is right or wrong often comes down to whether or not it is a "choice". Isn't it always a choice to truly love someone? Should then love itself be invalidated, because it is a choice? The bible has very little to say about homosexuality, and where it is addressed, the regional and cultural context of that time must be the backdrop in which the scripture is interpreted. Like Dan says, Jesus never mentions homosexuality, I do disagree with his statement that it ads "unclarity". To "quote" scripture: Mark 12:28-31 (NRSV) One of the scribes came near and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, he asked him, “Which commandment is the first of all?” 29 Jesus answered, “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one; 30you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ 31The second is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” @ Dan, perhaps this passage will aid you and your "elders" in deciding whether or not you can include homosexuals in your church leadership? I applaud your discussion, while I also find it disgusting. Did you have this much deliberation when deciding whether or not women should be able to hold the title of pastor? According to the bible the male is a naturally superior leader. The sit-in that was suggested is a referendum on your use of sacred community space that does not discriminate, HumBrews, to conduct meetings in which gay leaders are not welcome. The question is, would HumBrews allow a church to congregate on their premises that does not allow minority groups to hold leadership? By the way, are any people of color represented in your leadership? Or am I asking another litmus test question?

Posted by activision on 08/21/2010 at 1:24 PM

Re: “Beer Me, Jesus

@ J. Smith, not in cahoots, just concerned.

Posted by activision on 08/21/2010 at 1:05 AM

Re: “Beer Me, Jesus

@Deric, My goal is not to attack Dan. I have reread the article and do see that he is in process. I myself was raised in the evangelical tradition, I left the church because of their stance toward GLBTQ community. I DO NOT accept the slowness of deliberation on the issue of civil rights for homosexuals by church leaders. Are they also trying to form opinions on whether or not women should be owned, whether slavery is just, or whether or not it is a sin to wear more than two types of clothing fiber. A biblically based argument could be made for all in that list, but homosexuality is the issue that churches cherry pick. As for owning women, slaves and wearing two fibers, I am sure that to all those issues Dan would have no problem, swiftly and confidently, disagreeing with their validity. Why then is their hesitation with the "gay issue"? I see no community that needs channels of compassion opened to them more the LGBTQ community. Dan has an opportunity to lead on this issue, my goal is to encourage him.

Posted by activision on 08/20/2010 at 2:42 PM

Re: “Beer Me, Jesus

"..... there are many churches that are adamantly opposed to gay rights............." So why should your church be any different on the issue? Don't blame institutionalism. Own the fact that your church chooses to skirt the issue, some say the civil rights issue of our time. Catalyst church sees the issue of gay rights as someone else's problem, pass the buck, its cleaner and safer that way. You do not pass the litmus test, gay rights cannot be treated as if they are political wedge issues, real loving people are being discriminated while your church passes on the issue. I wonder if you would have taken a stance on whether or not blacks and whites could marry? Or would you have said the scripture is confusing? So sit back and think about it, grapple with it, dialogue yourselves silly. Churches should be beacons of light in the community, not shadow casters. You choose.

Posted by activision on 08/20/2010 at 10:59 AM

Re: “Beer Me, Jesus

check Rants and Raves, boycott catalyst church.......http://humboldt.craigslist.org/rnr/1908264076.html

Posted by activision on 08/19/2010 at 3:41 PM

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