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Re: “A Culture of Civility

Janice T, My experience with John Chive's site is that he moderates for conformity to his story line. It is his blog so he can have it, but unless he has changed his practices, it is not one to be held up as a blog representing high standards.

Civility: formal politeness and courtesy in behavior or speech; polite remarks used in formal conversation
Civil: courteous and polite

Is it civil to say those who provide space for the exchange of ideas have "amped" the language you disagree with because you feel stifled? Is it civil to judge someone as "having "no good reason" simply because they do not hide the anger they feel? Is it civil to imply that a minority that becomes vocal is "rabid", or not "even vaguely decent"?

I too think that the NCJ's approach of requiring a registration process that allows anonymity and accountability is a good one, it provides a space for self moderation. I am also glad that there is the more open forum at LoCo as perhaps it does serve a purpose.

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Posted by janelle on 06/26/2017 at 10:53 AM

Re: “A Culture of Civility

Verbena, I was referring only to his comment section, which is moderated. As far as his actual articles, you are correct.

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Posted by Janice T. on 06/25/2017 at 5:44 AM

Re: “A Culture of Civility

This is an Constitutional issue and needs to be approached cautiously. What needs attention is as a mature adult can you be of a civil tongue? If not all will see that and you have done nothing but show your immaturity. Now we have separated the speaker from the speech. This is where that fore mentioned caution needs to come in. Tread lightly keeping in mind this applies to you as well if you are honest.

Posted by Moje1knobe on 06/24/2017 at 6:38 PM

Re: “A Culture of Civility

Speaking to the comment by Janice T (who I don't think I know): John Chiv is anything but decent in his writing and public comments. He is unethical and dishonest. He cares not about how his words harm. Oft times, I believe he intends for his words to cause harm. It is disgusting that Chiv, a person of color, is so committed to kissing the ass of the oppressive, white ruling good ole boy class in Humboldt.

Here are some of my comments:
#BlackLivesMatter #NativeLivesMatter #TransLivesMatter #DefendHomelessPeople #JusticeForJosiah #FuckThePolice #DefendMotherEarth #JusticeForPhilando

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Posted by Verbena on 06/24/2017 at 12:28 AM

Re: “A Culture of Civility

Excellent job! Thank you!!!

Posted by Tori Ann on 06/23/2017 at 11:02 PM

Re: “A Culture of Civility

Do you have an inalienable right to anonymously spew hate speech in our comments section or anyone else's?

Naah--that's what Twitter is for... :-)

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Posted by A Guy on 06/23/2017 at 12:19 PM

Re: “A Culture of Civility

Good job, not just managing your site but striving for transparency. I appreciate the effort to keep it both "real" and civil.

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Posted by David Lippman on 06/23/2017 at 10:13 AM

Re: “A Culture of Civility

Thank you so much for this! NCJ and John Chiv seem to be the only ones willing to maintain any sort of decency standards. I'm sick of having to watch every single thing that I say so that I don't draw a pile-on for no good reason. Sometimes it happens anyway, no matter how careful that you are. This is what is truly stifling freedom of speech; a rabid, vocal minority being allowed to control virtually every local blog, amped by the administration of said blogs and running off almost everyone who is even vaguely decent. You are a breath of fresh air!

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Posted by Janice T. on 06/22/2017 at 11:17 AM

Re: “'A Fundamental and Necessary Right'

Who do I need to vote against or for? If this is staff, who are their bosses?

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Posted by Nan Roberts on 05/28/2017 at 12:07 PM

Re: “'A Fundamental and Necessary Right'

I often disagree with your collective editorial outlook, but there's no denying all y'all excel at investigative reporting when you want to. The fact that the journal is also free and tangible, available to anybody, is very important and very much appreciated. Thank you all!

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Posted by Long live the printed page! on 05/26/2017 at 6:44 AM

Re: “The Lens of Experience

Hi Thadeus,

Thank you for your thoughtful piece on the lens of experience. My own is rather foggy, both from an upbringing that included a long stint in foster care and associated institutions and an independent early adulthood spread between military service, work with the Del Norte CCC and later my on time as a student and SCL graduate at Humboldt State University. In between, the streets of Barrio Logan in San Diego (greatly changed now, but still filled with faces and people I remember and who greet me like a lost relative), the nation's highway system as a canvasser for magazine subscriptions and a nice, if arduous, Peace Corps contract have further chipped and polished in turn the edges and contours of my world-view.

I have avidly followed this case in what I consider my only home of choice (Humboldt and Del Norte counties) and I, too, hop for a better outcome than no answer, and, further, an answer that satisfies the family of my fellow Jack Josiah. But I am hopeful also that the preliminary finding in which the evidence was not sufficient to hold Kyle is also validated by a thoroughly and fully supportable arrest of whomever is culpable. I am, however, deeply troubled by this death and its unknown circumstances.

There are no cell phone videos, pictures or records at all? How many people called the police as the fight(s) began? Was the knife that was found under the car the murder weapon? How can it not be said, "it is possible it was" if it is not ruled out? There were fibers, blood and a print on the blade. Someone has that print, and it seems they were not experienced criminals if they left it at the scene.

If Zoellner is not culpable, surely he is useless as a witness. He was described by many people as 'knocked out', 'choked out' and sent to the ground repeatedly as well as kicked in the head. It also occurs to me (and likely to police as well) that the women present, for whom Zoellner had arrived to drive home, that they would have fled the scene if they had any involvement in the stabbing itself.

I am, despite these misgivings, bittersweetly heartened that this horror happened somewhere in Arcata. Despite the flaws in the community, I remember it as being beyond simply disapproving of racial malice and rough justice. If a citizen hears something relevant, i remain confident that a better conscience, regardless, will compel the locals or students ho catch wind of anything worth sharing to report it, regardless the redwood/emerald/cannabis curtain of prison-culture anti-snitch paranoia.

I feel for my community up there in that beautiful place, and am glad that you and your family have found your home in it. I hope that it lives up to both our expectations and that an answer that is just, true and healing can be found in what my longest-time foster brother, who came to stay with me for a few weeks in the early 2000s, called, "the kindest place with the [sic] most friendly people I ever met".

I think it will work out, and we'll have justice for Josiah, his family, and if he is indeed innocent of the crime, Kyle too.

Thanks again, and warm regards from Tbilisi, Georgia

Francis Stanley Pruett
HSU Class of 1999

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Posted by HSU_Franklin on 05/21/2017 at 10:08 AM

Re: “The Lens of Experience

I know what happened to Lawson that night. The dumbass got in a fight at a drunken college party. Happens every year at every campus nationwide. Who didn't teach those kids to just walk away? Josiah and his friends are lucky Zoellner didn't die from a brain hemorrhage after Zoellner was initially beaten. All the newspapers would be having another sort of field day altogether. Not one media source in Humboldt has presented the story of Lawson vs Zoellner as anything but a race card of one sort or another. It happened in a way that paints an incriminating portrait of the entire uninvolved community, and nothing of a really stupid drunk college party turned to shit by a handful of kids acting tough. People are disgusted by internet comments? Is this not the year 2017? What do you expect at this point? As far as the adults in media are concerned, they're guilty of hype...an especially sinister kind of hype that divides the people they claim to represent in "the media". Our pool of "news" has largely been a politically correct circus of antagonists.

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Posted by No Winners on 05/19/2017 at 7:15 AM

Re: “The Lens of Experience

Thank you for this excellent article Mr. Greenson. You are so right about the importance of how we should interact with other people and the importance of those interactions for the future of our society. I too very much like living in our beautiful place, but our neighbors are also part of this beauty.

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Posted by Rollin Richmond on 05/18/2017 at 12:37 PM

Re: “Let's Talk About Rex

"Let's Talk About Rex"

Thank you for publishing this article in the North Coast Journal. Public officials must not stonewall when asked to explain their actions. The Supervisors work for us, and they receive an adequate compensation from the citizens of Humboldt County. I cant remember when so many employees serving in a department felt the need to state their opinion of their superior, David Marcus. I would like to hear the facts, good or bad. There are simply too many unanswered questions. This must be addressed by our County Supervisors. Just because a person is elected to public office, doesnt give them carte blanche to act without consequences.

Sam King
McKinleyville, CA

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Posted by retired on 04/17/2017 at 5:59 AM

Re: “Let's Talk About Rex

not to detract, but a seperate note entirely, i want to clarify the last statement of my response to this column @ 1:11pm because it seems harsh with no explanation. i dont understand the rise in what i would call "text speak" working its way into professional writing, especially "the news". for example, parts of the above editorial are written as though very informally spoken, complete with mumbled interjections. if its intended to parody rex bohn's stammering, it doesnt come across that way, but more like a hasty rant. only parts of the editorial, the rest is spot on. im a shameless grammer nazi, hypocrite too as i type this with my thumbs on a janky phone not giving a fuck...such is the cesspool that is the internet.

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Posted by P.S. on 04/15/2017 at 8:47 AM

Re: “Let's Talk About Rex

thadeus, i agree with everything you wrote 111%. the issue is very serious and the supervisors' behavior is very disturbing in many ways. with all the talk for needs of affordable housing, healthcare, public transit etc etc, its really telling that the supervisors are repeatedly insulting the same public by downplaying the importance of proper legal representation when needed. when falsely accused, when unjustly persecuted, when simple misunderstandings can lead to life changing court decisions in a matter of moments. our supervisors are collectively paid over $30,000 of our tax money every month. regarding this issue in particular, they're all demonstrating exactly how out of touch they have become with their own common constituents. whereas even a $300 legal fine of any sort is nothing to them now (as many of us knew the supervisors before their lifestyles matched their current income bracket), that petty cash difference is literally crippling families the nation over. rex bohn insults the poor even further by dismissing the credibility of journalists working for genuinely local readership, as if every fresh graduate is guarunteed a position within one of his media sources of choice (and they all pay the bills through advertising). it shows, in his own words, his complete lack of integrity, or in the very least his naivette of such a thing as integrity in the first place. the same goes for all four other supervisors for their silence in this matter, and moreso for their refusal to acknowledge, let alone do something, about a clear cut case of a very important tax-paid public official who has been deemed incompetent by his former employera and isn't even welcome by his own current staff. would they accept a chief of police under these circumstances? would the police chief accept a new officer with such scrutiny? the behavior of humboldts board of supervisors over this matter is inexcusable.

that said, while i understand this particular writing is an editorial, it reads like a drunk facebook post. the issue deserves better, please. thanks for everything youve done and continue doing as a journalist...keep it up!

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Posted by the supervisors arent listening. on 04/14/2017 at 1:11 PM

Re: “Let's Talk About Rex

County government is run by an auctioneer, realtor, waitress, and rural radio host, each laser-focused on representing the property rights zealots that funded their campaigns.

Stop electing development industry hacks and start demanding that your local government hire executives and department directors with advanced degree in their field, you know, the kind of professionals that understand how to incorporate the law into practice.

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Posted by Howard Smith on 04/14/2017 at 1:08 AM

Re: “Let's Talk About Rex

Something is fishy

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Posted by Shelly Fitzgerald on 04/13/2017 at 2:15 PM

Re: “There's No Way Around It

I am normally in agreement with calls for compromise. In this case, simple morality does not allow for compromise. There is an obvious an easy choice on this issue. Humans have killed around 95% of the Coast redwood forest. When we talk about impact on these trees, it is imperative that we consider that we as humans have already killed 95% of these forests for our economic benefit. There is no monetary issue can morally justify further impact! Every remaining tree is worth all the wealth on Earth. "Cost more" or "takes longer" are arguments that carry zero weight with a moral and informed person.

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Posted by Aaron Gustaveson on 04/09/2017 at 1:45 PM

Re: “Yes, Another Pot Story

I appreciate the time and trouble the NCJ has put into keeping me informed.
Your articles are always well written.
If the situation presents itself, please include mention of Mary Jane the Potumentary. Hopefully you have seen it. MJ lays out the history and future of pot here in Humboldt County. Disclosure...I'm a Co-Producer, still photographer and bit player in the film.
Thanks.
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