Oh Dan, while trying to clear up the confusion of your status as a Christian, you only confuse us more:
"I authentically (not ambiguously) see Jesus as offering radical teachings and modeling a way of life that really can transform individuals and societies."
Jesus is more than a teacher or model for way of life. He is God in the flesh, creator of the universe (whether through evolution or not) and savior, not merely to make the world a better place, but to save our eternal souls. You my friend, remain as ambiguous as ever. But I don't worry. Catalyst is Jesus' church and He does with it as He will. I'd be happy to meet you, but I imagine who have better things to do. Blessings on your family.
@Deric. I hate posting because you never get the tones and context, so let me say directly that I'm just being friendly and not looking for an argument on the internet. Perhaps from lack of judgment and too much time on my hands at the moment, I'll take a moment to answer you. Everyone know the Jedi is a fictional idea, though it has a reality for some people. We know it's a fiction because we know the author George Lucas. But the idea of God is obviously different. We don't know who wrote the first narrative of God. We don't know if they intended it to be a documentary or fiction. But we know that many people all over the world wrote about what we call God with very similar ideas and unaware of eachother. The bible writers all seem to have a common theme of humility, redemption and repentance, though they were from different cultures, times and parts of the world. In regard to the Jedi, there is only one author George Lucas who would tell you that it is fiction. But many of the writers of the bible died for claiming that God was real. Anyway, I'm not repeating the question, just want everyone to think and question what they believe. Thank you for challenging us to think about what we believe. I hope you've learned more than just that what you already believe is true. I hope maybe someone has stretched you. I know I'm stretched when I meet a couple who has adopted children. I'm inspired by them. Anyway, I'm going to get off the internet now and play with my 3 year old who teaches me more everyday than anyone I've ever met.
@Dogma, I was responding to Deric's citing daily suicide bombers. Islam is the only religion I know that has daily suicide bombers. Yes, I see how that works. I'm not at war with Islam, just thinking of how they are so focused on the law and punishment while Jesus' Christianity is about forgiveness and being free from the law. Dogma, what do you think religion is about?
Deric, are you open minded to the possibility that there is a God?
Joel, perhaps that was irresponsible of me to say that without sources. It was something I read after hurricane Katrina that the Southern Baptist Convention was second to the red cross in number of meals served and people cared for. I'm not affiliated with that organization myself and don't remember the source. I understand your skepticism. Peace
James, pardon me if I'm butting in.
Deric, I agree that religion, more often than not, is harmful to society. I just don't believe true Jesus Christianity is a religion, but a relationship with a God that is Love.
Islam is a religion that seeks to enslave people to the law. Jesus, by contrast, frees them from the law through forgiveness.
We often hear about the terrible things done in Jesus name because that's what we want to see, an excuse to dismiss Jesus. But we don't see the quiet humble people who live their lives of service because of Jesus.
For example, while Darwin was publishing Origin of Species in 1859, Swiss humanitarian and Bible-believer Henri Dunant was planning the Red Cross and negotiating the Geneva convention for the care and treatment of wounded soldiers. Dunant was co-winner of the first Nobel Prize for Peace in 1901, and his inspiring Red Cross committee later won the award three times.
Today the Red Cross does more humanitarian work than any other organization. 2nd to the Red Cross is the Baptist church.
Deric, I don't mean to criticize or rebuke your atheism, just want to encourage you to remain open minded. If there is no scientific evidence for God, there is none against him either. Science is always growing, but never explains everything such as the origin of the universe. There is always more than meets the eye. Thank you for your kindness, even as people do bad things in Jesus name here. God bless all.
Which tradition? The one God made, marriage between one man and one woman.
All the rest are man-made traditions: polygamy, arranged, gay, etc. All man-made traditions that contradict the bible are called sin, falling short of perfection. But no worries, while we've all fallen short in one way or another, God forgives us and made his forgiveness accessible by communicating it by becoming a man and dying at the hands of religious people. Yes, religions is about how man does it, but Christianity is about how God does it.
While McCain may have lacked some grace when going on his own opinions, he did hold firm to the truth. On the other hand, Dan lacks holding the truth in order to bring people to God. The problem with that is that though it may open people, it may not fill them and give them what they need to mature.
Regarding the resurrection, you might study beyond what you want to hear. The gospels do not contradict each other. One thing to consider is that all of Jesus disciples were tortured to death for claiming to have seen him risen from the dead and living among them for 40 days. If they were insane or lying, one of them might have changed his story while being sawed in half lengthwise. Many people die for their faith but these men died for what they saw with their own eyes and could not deny. Exception that Judas committed suicide after betraying Jesus and John survived boiling in oil and later wrote Revelations from an island prison.
As I look at our posts, I'm reminded of a verse,
2 Timothy 2:23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. 24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,
Perhaps some of our posts have crossed the line from "in humility correcting" over to God's role of convicting/granting repentance. I think we've brought up some important points, brought the truth. But perhaps I got caught up in it and crossed the line. Not to invalidate my concerns, but I do apologize for losing it. I hope that hasn't kept Catalyst from hearing my concerns. It's difficult to maintain humility. We're all works in progress.
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