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Re: “$12/hr

If Measure R is passed it will set the bar too high to even work on a countywide initiative. It will leave a few with a gain and many looking for more assistance from public assistance to meet higher costs caused by an initiative targeted at a few!

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Posted by Charles Bean on 10/19/2014 at 12:57 PM

Re: “$12/hr

Vote YES on R.
Raising the minimum wage, CITY by CITY has proven to boost the economy of the increased wage cities, lower unemployment (more jobs!), and help lift working people and families out of poverty. The people who say anything different about raising the minimum wage have no facts or reports to back their gloom and doom claims- only fear.

Measure R will be great for Eureka, and surrounding cities will follow suit. People who say it should be countywide have never made or even talked about an initiative to do so. Measure R will make Eureka more competitive and successful. And the people who work to keep businesses and services going here deserve to live with dignity and, frankly, more money!

Rise up and Raise Our Wages!!

Vote YES on R!

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Posted by Verbena on 10/19/2014 at 11:06 AM

Re: “$12/hr

Editorial: Fair Wage Act unfair to city — vote no on R

Eureka Times-Standard

Posted: 10/18/2014 09:17:49 PM PDT0 Comments

Updated: 10/18/2014 09:17:54 PM PDT






Proponents of the Fair Wage Act are right in their claim that Measure R, if passed by Eureka's voters, would create an economic boom. It just won't be in Eureka.

Cutten, for example, would experience quite a boom in business as employers flee Eureka city limits.

Measure R would raise the minimum wage to $12 at businesses — including, full disclosure, this newspaper — with 25 or more employees who work at least two hours a week within Eureka city limits. Nonprofits would be excluded for the first 18 months. If passed, the measure would go into effect 90 days after election results were certified. It also contains a built-in annual cost-of-living increase.

In principle, it's a noble idea. In practice, without additional measures to ensure economic development in the city, it's a time bomb that would turn Eureka into a commercial ghost town ringed by businesses whose proprietors were smart enough to get out while the getting was good.

Coming on the heels of California's July 1 minimum wage hike, Measure R is too high a jump in too short a time, one that threatens to put Eureka — hardly a thriving commercial metropolis — at further disadvantage. Fearful employers are already drafting contingency plans: where to move, how many jobs to cut.

There is no doubt that the working men and women of Eureka deserve a break. But they don't deserve to have the economic health of their community broken, and that's what Measure R would do.

To put the issue of wages in a historical context, Humboldt County's timber industry — which at its peak employed one out of every two working county residents — began its decline in the 1960s. In the decades since, quality jobs that gave residents a shot at middle class wages right out of high school have evaporated.

Low-paying jobs, in Eureka and across the county, took their place. Today, county government itself and Humboldt State University offer the lion's share of decent employment to anyone who can claw their way past the door. Too many of us are left to cobble together two or three jobs to make ends meet.

Many businesses today, in Eureka and countywide, are living on borrowed time, courtesy of the cash that Humboldt's other renowned industry — black market marijuana — pumps into the local economy. All that money, easily a quarter of the local economy, isn't going to last forever. Not with legalization on the horizon.

It's already hard to make a living in Humboldt County, a virtual island on the North Coast, isolated by distance and underdeveloped infrastructure. Why make an island within an island? Why make it any harder, just for Eureka, just as the pot bubble's about to burst?

If the folks behind Measure R had broadened their efforts countywide, it would be quite a different story.

As is, the Fair Wage Act unfairly singles out Eureka businesses and puts them at an undeserved disadvantage.

Vote no on Measure R.

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Posted by Charles Bean on 10/19/2014 at 8:49 AM

Re: “$12/hr

I am glad to report I have voted NO on Measure R.

Measure R raises the minimum wage to much to fast. Anyone who has ever owned a business will tell you that local businesses will have no choice but to lay off workers and raise prices. Anyone who tells you differently knows squat about surviving in the local business world. There is a better way to raise the minimum wage without hurting people.

If Measure R passes many people who think they are getting big raises will be surprised to get pink slips instead. Measure R is a job killer.

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Posted by John Fullerton on 10/19/2014 at 8:29 AM

Re: “$12/hr

PRO- CON ONLY EUREKA CA CA N CHOOSE--BUT SOMEDAY TH COUNTY MUST SET A FAIR STANDARD...

Posted by jean doran1 on 10/18/2014 at 1:33 PM

Re: “Sssssmokin'

The kissing tree! Legend goes: if a suitor kissed their significant other under that walnut tree they would get married. Worked for me....wonder how many others have had the same result?

Posted by wonderer on 10/18/2014 at 9:02 AM

Re: “$12/hr

"And how are the non-profits going to make up the shortfall between meeting an increased payroll and their limited funding? Charge their clients, often on fixed incomes, more? Reduce services? Simple economics apply, and I don't see how they can maintain the same level of services."

If you actually read the text of Measure "R" Liz, you would know that it allows employers to negotiate alternative compensation with their employees...but that would interfere with your deceitful agenda of sticking with the same lies and fear tactics despite the research by the NCJ.

"Curmudgeons" is an apt name for those that the NCJ rightfully pointed out are being "disingenuous", (aka liars), on literally every damn point you folks keep repeating.

BTW, "Yes" on "R" yard signs are disappearing off people's yards every night, but it appears the "No" on "R" signs cannot afford to lose even one.

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Posted by Jerry Stewart on 10/17/2014 at 11:01 PM

Re: “$12/hr

Yes, Jerry spelled "curmudgeon correctly", I misread it!

Posted by elizabethfinger on 10/17/2014 at 4:53 PM

Re: “$12/hr

Hmm, A very biased article. I am no "anti-fair wage curmedgeon (sic)" I just think an increased minimum wage needs to apply to the whole county with a phase-in period. To characterize anyone who is not on board with Measure R this way, as Jerry does above, is missing the mark.
There are plenty of business owners this would affect that are not the fat cats--"local wealthy folks"--they are made out to be. And how are the non-profits going to make up the shortfall between meeting an increased payroll and their limited funding? Charge their clients, often on fixed incomes, more? Reduce services? Simple economics apply, and I don't see how they can maintain the same level of services.
The no on R folks may have gotten their campaign signs elsewhere, Jerry, but have you noticed that all their print material is printed locally and uses soy-based ink?
And hey people, quit taking the No on R signs down every night. I am a long-term activist and can tell you this is not some great act of civil disobedience against the big boxes and wealthy--it is disrespectful as hell. You may not agree with them, but everyone has a right to post the signs they want.

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Posted by elizabethfinger on 10/17/2014 at 4:45 PM

Re: “Sssssmokin'

Why not just ban ugly people, with the city council members as judges as to whether a person is ugly or not? That way, freedom (for the beautiful people) can be protected.

Either that, or ban anyone with less than $100 in their pocket. Just show the $100 bill to any council member and you are free to wander downtown.

(Sorry, but Jonathon Swift comes to mind here.)

Posted by Dwain1 on 10/17/2014 at 8:54 AM

Re: “$12/hr

Mutt. I think anyone working a full or part time job shouldn't suffer with slave wage just because someone else did. The clawing your way up to 12 dollars would be OVER! That's a good thing! It's called progress! If your talking about yourself be sure to ask for a raise when this passes because businesses here will all of a sudden have people who want to be there and work at the better wage. Jobs take on a different meaning when you profit by your labor. YES on R!

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Posted by 2Salty on 10/16/2014 at 7:17 PM

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Any employee working in a skilled trade and supplying their own tools must be paid at least twice the minimum wage. The starting wage in Eureka would be $24/hr.

Also, any employee that worked their way up to $12/hr from $9/hr will not be happy when the new guy starts out at the same pay. Basically everyone will need to get a $3/hr raise to level the playing field.

How comfortable of a standard of living should one have with a job that one can learn in a few days versus a job that takes many years of on the job and school training?

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Posted by Mutt on 10/16/2014 at 5:46 PM

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As Thoreau used to note; busyness people don't give a dang about their employees, most would use slaves if they could.

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Posted by Kathy Anderson on 10/16/2014 at 4:19 PM

Re: “Sssssmokin'

yes, because banning something has ALWAYS removed that problem.

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Posted by Anthony Machuca on 10/16/2014 at 3:01 PM

Re: “$12/hr

Too little too late, but thank you NCJ, you're the only local media source that has bothered to look a little deeper.

It is the absence of information that emboldens the tired fallacies behind the anti-fair wage curmudgeons, (that left the area to buy their campaign signs!). Many of the local wealthy folks always brag about doing their shopping elsewhere, including healthcare, yet, they want to punish the folks that still shop here with poverty-wages!

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!

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Posted by Jerry Stewart on 10/16/2014 at 2:58 PM

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I voted YES on R !! It's the right (and smart) thing to do.

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Posted by Verbena on 10/16/2014 at 2:52 PM

Re: “Sssssmokin'

Thanks for covering this, Grant!

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Posted by Linda Stansberry on 10/16/2014 at 1:42 PM

Re: “Officer Involved

"Mills said, official statements were not taken that morning. "We don't interview them in detail until we get enough evidence to talk to them intelligently so that if something is amiss, we know," Mills explained, adding that studies have also shown officers' recollections to be more accurate 24 hours after a critical incident, when adrenaline has subsided and they've had a chance to rest."

What a bold faced liar. They are NO studies indicating more accuracy by waiting 24 hours. ALL the studies have PROVEN, the sooner you take statements, the more accurate they are. The ONLY reason anyone would not take statements immediately would be to refine their answers, and LIE. That is why the police question criminals immediately...duh.

Mills needs to be replaced since he has proven, without a doubt, he is a LIAR.
MILLS, You work for us, and your men work for us. Since you've obviously forgotten that important fact, it is time for you to step down, and let an HONEST investigation proceed.

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Posted by stinkbomb on 10/16/2014 at 11:47 AM

Re: “Going Global

To madlain. Trees go back. We are logging trees that where planted 50-60 years ago. Yes very little old growth is logged today. U should see the wildlife that returnes to the areas we log. But u wouldn't know that because you never get out and look for youself and think for yourself. Stop believing everything you hear and go look for youself.
Nick

Posted by Nick on 10/16/2014 at 9:41 AM

Re: “$12/hr

I voted yes on R. I hope you do as well. It's way past time.

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Posted by 2Salty on 10/16/2014 at 9:01 AM

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