Get a room you two!
If Americans took more interest in self-governance it would undermine man’s unquenchable desire to grovel and admire the heroes that step up to assume responsibility for the fleeting pleasures of condemning the rabble from a tenuous lofty height.
No, you don't "get it".
Not voting simply doesn't merit your simple-minded characterization of the vast majority of a nation's citizens as "spoiled, uncaring children" any more than utilizing public services merits the characterization of "Those People" as "takers".
Short of "bigotry", holding opinions that disregard facts is clearly "prejudice".
"Those People" are no more, and no less, irresponsible than is the nature of our species. They are us, you silly person! For example, it is irresponsible to publish any article omitting the subject's overwhelming context which has effectively become taboo in contemporary media. Do you think it's a coincidence that you can find articles condemning other nation's "undemocratic" and "illegitimate" elections where half the nation abstains, (compared to our 70%)?
Too bad you've never registered voters on any issue...anywhere... or you would understand how "Those People" are receptive to education and care deeply about their culture once someone, anyone, takes the time and interest to explain the relevance of an issue to them, otherwise, you'd think that more than 10% of our nation's best and brightest university graduates would vote.
This issue is far more complex than an individual's responsibility to merit your arrogance and prejudice.
OK, got it. You're rightfully angry at me, because I think people who don't vote are responsible for their not voting. And I'm a bigot, just like Rob Arkley. But I should canvass Eureka, a city in which I don't live, on behalf of your issue. Oh, and it's irresponsible to write about the transparency project without mentioning your concern about low turnout. Got it. Thanks for letting me know your thoughts.
Apparently your sophistry is as good as your writing.
1) “As far as I can tell, you are upset with me because I think people who don't vote are not fulfilling their responsibility as citizens.”
“Upset” and rightfully angry are very different, sorry if that disappoints you.
Maybe if I repeat my remarks with emphasis-added it will be clearer: It is inaccurate, self-serving, irresponsible, and arrogant of anyone (you) to demean the vast majority of your nation as uncaring, spoiled children, (your fellow citizens that are effectively written-off by local and national political parties, media and academia), based upon an intergenerational legacy of 30% voter turnouts.
Sadly, Rob Arkley Jr. utilized identical bigotry to yours at the Warfinger building last September 18th when he characterized 50 million impoverished Americans as “takers” for “not fulfilling their responsibility as citizens” by taking better care of themselves.
Maybe you can explain how you and Arkley’s demeaning characterizations of so many Americans will make them “more responsible”.
2) Unless there have been guns held to "those people"'s heads, or armed police preventing them from getting to the polling places, I think their decisions not to vote were irresponsible. "Victimhood" is just an excuse.
This point is particularly amusing because no one is holding a gun to local/national media’s head; there are no “thought police” or Stazi threatening to imprison journalists, and yet, widespread self-censorship (not your clever sophistry of “conspiracy”) ensures that the average citizen knows nothing of common public realities.
Unfortunately, this NCJ article provides another example of how easy, effortless, expected and IRRESPONSIBLE it is to have yet-another important election article published that is completely devoid of its single most overwhelming context, that the vast majority of Americans are fed-up with being ignored and lied to and they are not going to participate.
Please join in canvassing Eureka for the Fair Wage initiative so that you might shed your bigotry by understanding how quickly “Those People” sign up to vote for the first time when someone bothers to educate and register them over issues relevant to their daily lives.
As far as I can tell, you are upset with me because I think people who don't vote are not fulfilling their responsibility as citizens. If that's it, that's at least accurate, because I really do think that. Or perhaps you are upset with me because I don't think this is primarily due to a concerted conspiratorial effort by the media to suppress voter turnout and hide America's problems. That's OK, too, because I don't think that's the cause of low voter turnout.
In the meantime, I continue to feel that Americans can accomplish far more by writing-in Pee Wee Herman than by not voting at all, but I also continue to feel that only people with remarkably privileged lives and/or an overwhelming determination to ignore the obvious can truly fail to see the difference in people's lives between an Obama presidency and a Romney presidency.
A Nader presidency or a LaDuke presidency would be very different than a typical presidency, though Congress and the court would have prevented such an administration from achieving many of its goals, just as Congress and the court have prevented the Obama administration from creating as much change as it might have hoped to create. But the 70% of people who don't vote didn't think it was worth it to vote for Nader/LaDuke, either. Unless there have been guns held to "those people"'s heads, or armed police preventing them from getting to the polling places, I think their decisions not to vote were irresponsible. "Victimhood" is just an excuse.
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It is an astounding leap of logic to wax poetic about the breadth and depth of corruption you call the “American election” only to demean the victims as spoiled children, and worse, “uncaring”. I suppose this is an improvement from your earlier bigotry on a local blog where you used, “Those People”. Have you considered using aliases?
“Those Uncaring Child-People” are the vast majority and, despite your denials, their absence from the polls has changed everything in the last 35 years. Use you imagination.
Also, the point of propaganda is to obfuscate, thus, there is painfully little public reality whatsoever in “plain sight” contrary to your assertions. Even in rural weeklies appearing to cover rural election and political news, we never see the mere mention of the overwhelming context and national disgrace of having the lowest voter turnouts in the industrialized world. EVER. Would relevant and routine reports of reality begin to return folks to the poles? Probably. Would regular headlines covering the unprecedented number of our neighbors being bankrupted, foreclosed, and catapulted into poverty, including the biggest causes? Undoubtedly. Will they ever see this? Never.
“They who put out the peoples eyes reproach them of their blindness” (John Milton 1624).
Self-government is hard. I can understand those who go to the polls and write-in names like Pee Wee Herman to express their opinion of the system. I agree that our political system is heavily tilted by the effects of wealth and income inequality, that propagandists lose no opportunity to increase that tilt while denying its existence, and that, at the national level, respectable candidates who will not give the wealthiest what they want are usually filtered out long before they reach the ballot.
American elections are not about letting an informed electorate choose its leadership. In the TV age, they are competing propaganda campaigns. This is not hidden; political junkies watch the horse race and debate the wisdom of "putting an extra million into Ohio" to run more advertising in order to shift the outcome. This is all in plain sight, blessed by the same "supreme" court that shamed and delegitimized itself with its indefensible decision in Bush v Gore.
Despite that, my personal belief is that not voting is about as effective a driver of change as threatening to hold your breath until the spinach is removed from your plate. It's too easily confused with not caring. By all means, people should be doing far more than just voting. But that doesn't excuse not voting -- I firmly believe that an Obama administration is not identical in its effect on society as a Romney administration would have been.
While it's important to have a system people trust, (like the old manual methods that worked fine), U.S. elections will remain illegitimate and easily corrupted no matter how accurate the count, due to the 70% of eligible voters that continue to abstain for over a generation!
As long as political reporting keeps treating this overwhelming public reality as an "unrelated story", (self-censorship) the public has no idea of the impacts, except for a general feeling that the system is corrupt....and they'll have no part in it!
Anyone who wants to can get the images and count the votes themselves -- that's the point.
For those who are concerned that both the elections office and the volunteers that provide this service are tricking them with altered scans, I can only suggest that they volunteer to participate in the scanning process. Come ready to work, not to discuss politics.
I would rather expect to see Stephen Lewis (Stephen 1) trolling the more populated comment sections of the LoCO. At least he got through his entire comment without using his favorite word, "prog."
I feel sooo secure now knowing Trachtenberg and (hidden) partner identity fraud Richard Salzman are counting our Humboldt County votes. It's so reassuring to see how a fellow Progressive political activist managed to round up 21 votes to win over her political political opponent.
Thanks for offering the candid reality that no one dares to utter in Sacramento or D.C.: The potential electorate is abandoned because they are not trusted. Why would anyone want an abused and angry dog off its leash? Will there be an FDR, or a dictator that finally throws them a bone? First come first serve?
The question is not "if we could inspire more people" but why a local or national effort is never made.
It's never been done in Humboldt County, so we are forced to wonder what would happen if canvassers no longer had to skip 5-10 homes to find the next Dem/Grn/Ind voter? For example, what if volunteers took the trouble and demonstrated the interest in educating each unregistered household on Cheryl Seidner's actual leadership credentials and 27 years of public service ensuring that underprivileged kids get a college education?
The next lost opportunity in this unbroken legacy will be Eureka's popular Fair Wage Initiative that registered more voters with a tiny handful of volunteers than the HCDCC has registered in years. Is the HCDCC or the Greens gearing up to educate and register non-voting households on this fundamental democratic issue?
We can continue to bitch about the unwashed masses, or we can decide to pass the soap.
I too use to think that more people should vote, but I've come to realize that most non-voters are so entirely uninformed that we may better off with them not voting!
IF we could inspire more people to have the intellectual curiosity to want to know something more about the issues we face as a society and to not assume that any one media sources is giving them both sides of every story, then I would be pleased to have those folks vote.
Great, another neatly written election piece that can join virtually all the others in omitting the overwhelming context of this story: only about 30% of eligible voters are participating.
Congratulations on the award.
It appears that Keven Collins is much more than a "commercial fisherman", not that anyone around here needs any inspiration, 70% aren't even noteworthy!
I'd find it interesting if the people who are "disliking" some of the comments here would provide us with their point-of-view. Seriously... what is it about my comments and the other comments that you dislike?
After having attending both employee meetings, as well as the public forum today, I can say that the staff of Redwood Memorial Hospital, the Physicians, and the public have done a great service to the community by speaking out! Thank you everyone!
Still, I'm left with the feeling that the Board will decide to downsize OBGYN services here at RMH, or strip it out altogether and move it up to Eureka. I hope Humboldt County keeps the pressure, the heat, on the Board, but I also hope we can come up with some viable alternatives.
The shortage of Physicians, shortage of Lab Technicians(I work in the lab at RMH), and others is an issue that needs addressing by all of us.
I say let Jack Anderson and other community members take the recruitment reigns for Redwood Memorial Hospital. Let the folks invested in St. Joseph Hospital take the reigns for recruitment up there. Let's see some local action taken place because it's obvious that what the St. Joseph Health System has been up to so far has been ineffective.
I understand the difficulties recruiting new, young, doctors here as well as other medical professionals, but I cannot accept there are "0" doctors interested in working here out of all the graduates at all of the med schools.
How terribly unfortunate that the St Joseph perinatal department is having their staff meeting at the same exact time as the public meeting is being held. Just so the public knows, the staff meeting was planned well before the Fortuna meeting. It's a real shame that the Powers that Be did not take this into account when scheduling the community forum so that concerned providers would be free to participate in both meetings. Whoops!
where can you take classes locally?
I know I went on the other day about Redwood Memorial Hospital and the St Joseph Health System, but our system has such a large share of the health care business here in Humboldt that what's going on in this county is directly related to the politics of the St Joseph Health System.
Mad River Hospital is important also and I know several people who work there. We need the focus to be on a balanced plan and cooperation between all players so that the people of Humboldt County and our visitors can have good medical care. I don't see that happening currently, but I do hope this current issue stimulates people to take a harder look at what's going on here.
If you can, please make it to the public meeting at the RiverLodge in Fortuna, Thursday December 5, at noon. Screwy time for sure, but I do hope folks will attend en masse!
I'll be there up until the time I go to work at 1500.
Dr. Nevill is also leaving soon
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